Which Group Of Four Teams Will Do Better At World Cup 2014?

Discussion in 'BigSoccer Polls' started by EvanJ, Dec 2, 2013.

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Which Group Of Four Teams Will Do Better At World Cup 2014?

Poll closed May 1, 2014.
  1. Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, and Uruguay

    65.4%
  2. Spain, Germany, Belgium, and Switzerland

    34.6%
  1. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    After the World Cup, FIFA ranks the 32 participants based on their performance there. This is different from the monthly FIFA Rankings. Predict whether the UEFA seeds or the CONMEBOL seeds will have the better average ranking.
     
  2. Sebastian Puerta Villegas

    Oct 30, 2013
    Cali, Colombia
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Definitely the South Americans. This is our time. The fight they're gonna have I feel will be unprecedented, especially coming from Brasil, who I believe will win it.
     
  3. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    Well it DEPENDS on the weight you put as "how far" those teams go in WC14, right?

    for example:
    1- Say ... Argentina #1 will win WC14, Brazil in SF #4, and both Uruguay Columbia out in Gr16
    2- Say.... Germany #2, and Spain #3 , Belgium #6 and Switzeland #8

    So which scenario is "doing better" ??
     
  4. raviept

    raviept Member

    Jun 11, 2010
    Braga
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    From those two groups, definitely the South Americans. Brasil and Argentina are my favourites to win the title and at least Colombia has a chance of going far. On the other hand, Switzerland's quality is doubtful and we don't know how competent Belgium is despite their impressive squad. Leaving Netherlands and Italy outside the group of the strongest European teams makes that comparison unfair. Nevertheless, the South Americans are clear favourites in this world cup.
     
  5. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I said in my first post:

    "After the World Cup, FIFA ranks the 32 participants based on their performance there. This is different from the monthly FIFA Rankings. Predict whether the UEFA seeds or the CONMEBOL seeds will have the better average ranking."

    Based on that Number 2 would be better.
     
  6. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    The CONMEBOL ones will be higher IMO. I think all 4 of those South American teams will reach the second round. It's possible that Uruguay and Colombia will meet in the round of 16 and Brazil could face Spain. But even with bad luck that still means at least 2 reach the QFs. I don't see any less than that.

    For the UEFA teams, I think Germany has a good chance to go far. Spain is 50/50 to reach the quarters. While Belgium and Switzerland probably 25% chance or less. In CONMEBOL, Argentina 90%, Brazil 70-80%, Uruguay & Colombia about 50% each.

    So lots more doubt about the UEFA group reaching the quarters.
     
  7. jimmi_moh

    jimmi_moh Member+

    Mar 30, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    WC is not coming out of south america for sure
     
  8. Mmmcounts

    Mmmcounts Member

    Dec 28, 2013
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I want COMMEBAL to make a strong showing, but I can't help but think EUFA has a bit of a grip on it and it won't be relinquished easily. I'll be cheering for the SA teams, but I will be thinking of them as underdogs in the late rounds and I won't be surprised to see semis and quarters with a lot of European national teams represented.
     
  9. Rana catesbeiana

    Mar 11, 2008
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    I don't see how Brazil is that likely to reach quarters (and I don't mean this as an underestimation of them: no team is a bigger favourite to win it all than they are).

    They're, I think, roughly 95% to advance to R16. Meaning that 1 in 20 group stages they won't make it. Then, they meet Spain, Netherlands or Chile.

    One could say that they're the favourite against all of them, but especially in the case of Spain and also of Netherlands, not THAT big of a favourite. Brazil doesn't beat a random opponent of that trio 3/4 times. I'd say they're about 50% to beat Spain, 55% to beat Netherlands and 66% to beat Chile.

    That would make them roughly 55% to reach quarters. My numbers are likely wrong here and there, but 70-80% is surely too much.
     
  10. Rana catesbeiana

    Mar 11, 2008
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Also I think Argentina's 90% is too much.
     
  11. elviejomen

    elviejomen Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
    Hasbrouck Heights NJ
    Club:
    Junior Barranquilla
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    70%-80% deff is too much but 50% and 55% is too little. Brasil is the favorite vs Spain in Brasil and if you have 50% chance to beat them that doesnt make you the favorite.
    Now i dont think Brazil will be the clear favorite over Spain (which will be something like 70-80%) but Brazil sure does have the upper hand.

    I think Chile Ecuador Netherlands and Italy deserve a mention in this thread
     
  12. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I made the poll to compare the UEFA seeds and the CONMEBOL seeds. That's why I didn't mention Chile, Ecuador, Netherlands, and Italy.
     
  13. Rana catesbeiana

    Mar 11, 2008
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    I'm not sure about the upper hand. I mean, how much of an upper hand? I might be wrong, but I think it's pretty much a 50/50 match. One could twist that a little, I guess, to something like 52/48, or 55/45, or even 60/40, but that is I think already too much and even that gives them less than 60% to make it to quarters.

    Brazil's group draw was great, but their R16 draw is I think toughest that any of the top team got: no matter how they do in group, they're gonna meet a top level team right away in R16.
     
  14. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    ^ Yes, and its more likely that Brazil with play either Holland or Chile. I think Brazil's chances to beat Holland is quite a bit higher than 55%. They were favored even in neutral territory in South Africa. Now Holland is weaker and Brazil are at home. So more like 70-75% IMO.

    But yeah, I guess 90% of Argentina is too high. They have at least as good a chance as Germany though IMO, given their rather easy draw.
     
  15. elviejomen

    elviejomen Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
    Hasbrouck Heights NJ
    Club:
    Junior Barranquilla
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I understand that, just think that it would be better adding this countries to the comparison, because i don't think it has been done before, but not to the point to create a whole new thread.
    well if you consider them 50%-50% means that you think neither is favorite. I do think Brazil does have the upper hand (not by much, that's why i wont go further than 60%) but in my opinion they do have it by being the home team.
     

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