Which 2010 World Cup knockout teams aren't qualifying in 2014?

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Which 2010 World Cup knockout teams aren't qualifying in 2014?

Poll closed Jul 31, 2011.
  1. Argentina

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  2. Chile

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  3. England

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  4. Germany

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  5. Ghana

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  6. Japan

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  7. Mexico

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  8. Netherlands

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  9. Paraguay

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  10. Portugal

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  11. Slovakia

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  12. South Korea

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  13. Spain

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  14. Uruguay

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  15. USA

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  1. Dr. Gamera

    Dr. Gamera Member+

    Oct 13, 2005
    Wheaton, Maryland
    As World Cup qualifying has just begun, these polls are just in time.

    Since the World Cup went to 32 teams, there have always been 12 or 13 teams that participated in the World Cup, but didn't participate in the next World Cup. (I refer of course to the final World Cup tournament, not World Cup qualifying.) See this post for the details. We know that at least one team from the 2010 World Cup isn't participating in 2014, because six CAF teams participated in 2010, but only five CAF teams will qualify in 2014.

    Sometimes a lot of those teams had advanced beyond the first round of the World Cup, and sometimes only a few. The teams that had advanced beyond the first round but didn't make it back to the next World Cup were as follows:

    1930 (2): Uruguay, Yugoslavia

    1934 (2): Austria, Spain

    1938 (4): Cuba, Czechoslovakia, France, Hungary

    1950 (2): Spain, Sweden

    1954 (2): Switzerland, Uruguay

    1958 (4): France, Northern Ireland, Sweden, Wales

    1962 (2): Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia

    1966 (4): Argentina, Hungary, North Korea, Portugal

    1970 (4): England, Mexico, Peru, Soviet Union

    1974 (2): East Germany, Yugoslavia

    1978 (1): Netherlands

    1982 (1): Austria

    1986 (7): Bulgaria, Denmark, France, Mexico, Morocco, Paraguay, Poland

    1990 (5): Costa Rica, Czechoslovakia, England, Uruguay, Yugoslavia

    1994 (3): Ireland, Sweden, Switzerland

    1998 (5): Chile, Netherlands, Norway, Romania, Yugoslavia

    2002 (5): Belgium, Denmark, Ireland, Senegal, Turkey

    2006 (3): Ecuador, Sweden, Ukraine

    2010: ?

    Which 2010 World Cup knockout teams won't make it back in 2014?

    (I left Brazil off the list, since they're hosting 2014.)
     
  2. Dr. Gamera

    Dr. Gamera Member+

    Oct 13, 2005
    Wheaton, Maryland
    A general note: it's tough to talk intelligently about CONMEBOL before
    the Copa América, so I might regret some of these picks later. But
    CONMEBOL is qualifying five out of nine teams this cycle, rather than
    five out of ten, which should make it easier.

    Argentina -- could be another qualifying adventure ahead of them, but
    I think it won't actually be quite so tight with the extra spot.

    Chile -- very tempting to pick them not to come back, as they followed
    up advancement in 1998 with failure to qualify in 2002. But I think they
    get the extra spot in CONMEBOL.

    England -- no one likes having to come back from two goals down at
    home to draw Switzerland, but one bad result does not a collapse make.

    Germany -- uh, yeah.

    Ghana -- home draw against Sudan is a little worrisome, but probably
    still the second-best team in CAF.

    Japan -- no reason to expect them to lose their perch as one of
    the top three teams in AFC.

    Mexico -- anything's possible, as they flirted with CONCACAF
    qualifying semifinal elimination last cycle, but certainly favored to
    qualify.

    Netherlands -- it wouldn't be the first time they followed up a
    second-place finish with a failure to qualify, but there's no reason
    to expect that this time.

    Paraguay -- four straight qualifications from CONMEBOL, plus an extra spot
    this time.

    Portugal -- September 2010 wasn't great, and we might expect a repeat
    of their qualifying adventures from last cycle, but they did qualify
    last cycle after those adventures anyway.

    Slovakia -- the closest I'm getting to picking a knockout team not to
    qualify next time, but they did squeak into Pot 2 and they're looking
    pretty good in Euro 2012 qualifying.

    South Korea -- no reason to expect them to lose their perch as one of
    the top three teams in AFC.

    Spain -- certainly not looking like the first champions to fail to
    qualify for their title defense.

    United States -- anything's possible, as they flirted with CONCACAF
    qualifying semifinal elimination two cycles ago, but certainly favored
    to qualify.

    Uruguay -- might be a harder pick without the extra CONMEBOL spot.

    So while I don't really think that, for the first time ever, all 16
    knockout teams will qualify for the next World Cup, there's no one
    team that I think is more likely to fail than to qualify.

    Edited to add: Oops, I guess I should have included an "I'm checking this option because there's no team that I think is more likely to fail than to qualify" option in the poll. If forced to pick one team, as noted, I'll pick Slovakia.
     
  3. sinner78

    sinner78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 7, 2001
    People are supposed to decide which teams wont make it when no qualifying groups have been drawn?
    its just a stab in the dark. Pure guess work .
     
  4. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    My guesses are Slovakia and Chile. I think there will probably be more, but those two to me won't be making the trip to Brazil.
     
  5. Pyros

    Pyros Member

    Sep 6, 2009
    La Coruña
    Club:
    Valencia CF
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    ^^Chile should qualify no problem, CONMEBOL have an extra spot since Brazil are the hosts, and they have a pretty good team. It looks like Slovakia is the obvius pick, but who knows.
     
  6. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Chile is not an obvious pick, just a feeling that they won't make it although I prefer their style of play to Paraguay's. My picks from Conmebol in addition to hosts Brazil: Argentina, Uruguay, Colombia, Paraguay and Ecuador.
     
  7. ChosenReject

    ChosenReject New Member

    May 30, 2011
    Minnesota
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Way to far ahead to even speculate.
     
  8. joebarnin

    joebarnin Member

    May 3, 2003
    Santa Cruz, CA
    I agree that anything's possible, but to say that the flirted with semifinal elimination in 2006 qualifying is a stretch. I assume you're talking about the two road draws they got in the last minute, against Jamaica and Panama. Even if they had lost those two games, they would have gone through (10 points vs. 9 for Panama). If they had lost those games, it would be reasonable to say they were flirting with elimination (even though they eventually would have gone through anyway).

    I suppose it's fair to say that they flirted with flirting with elimination. :)
     
  9. Dr. Gamera

    Dr. Gamera Member+

    Oct 13, 2005
    Wheaton, Maryland
    No, two cycles ago, in 2002 qualifying, when they earned 1 point from their first two matches, and later were tied 0-0 in the 62nd minute of a must-win match in Barbados.
     
  10. joebarnin

    joebarnin Member

    May 3, 2003
    Santa Cruz, CA
    Ah, 2002. Yes, that definitely qualifies as flirting. I would have called that three cycles ago, but who's counting? ;)
     
  11. Dr. Gamera

    Dr. Gamera Member+

    Oct 13, 2005
    Wheaton, Maryland
    Uh. Oops. You're so right!
     
  12. Metropolitan

    Metropolitan Member+

    Paris Saint Germain
    France
    Sep 5, 2005
    Paris
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    I don't know why but I have the feeling that at least one team between England, Italy and France will not qualify for Brazil 2014.

    Their squads seem to be declining, and I don't see any shining young generation coming behind to replace them.
     
  13. mfw13

    mfw13 Member+

    Jul 19, 2003
    Seattle
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Argentina, Brazil, Spain, Germany, USA, Mexico, Japan, and South Korea are all dominant within their federation and therefore almost certain to qualify.

    Ghana is highly likely to qualify again, but pitfalls lurk given that they could be paired with teams as strong as Cameroon, Senegal, Morocco, or Tunisia, as well as 2006 qualifiers Angola and Togo.

    Uruguay, Chile, and Paraguay will be among a group of five similar strength teams (also including Ecuador, and Colombia) fighting for four places, so they all face some risk.

    Likewise, given the depth of UEFA, the Netherlands, England, and Portugal all face some risk, especially if they are unlucky enough to be drawn in the same group as France. And with teams such as Turkey, the Czechs, Ukraine, and Ireland lurking in Pot 3, the potential for trouble is high.

    Which leaves....Slovakia...as the team least likely to qualify again.
     
  14. Bonus_Game

    Bonus_Game Member

    Sep 30, 2007
    San Francisco
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In order of likelihood: Slovakia, Portugal, Ghana, Uruguay
     
  15. yanix

    yanix New Member

    Jun 18, 2011
    Club:
    --other--
    Slovakia
    Paraguay
     
  16. Dr. Gamera

    Dr. Gamera Member+

    Oct 13, 2005
    Wheaton, Maryland
    The BigSoccer import has eaten the poll results, but I found them in a cache.
    1.....3.13%.....Argentina
    7.....21.88%.....Chile
    2.....6.25%.....England
    1.....3.13%.....Germany
    6.....18.75%.....Ghana
    1.....3.13%.....Japan
    1.....3.13%.....Mexico
    1.....3.13%.....Netherlands
    10.....31.25%.....Paraguay
    7.....21.88%.....Portugal
    27.....84.38%.....Slovakia
    4.....12.50%.....South Korea
    1.....3.13%.....Spain
    1.....3.13%.....Uruguay
    1.....3.13%.....USA

    (There were 32 voters.)
     
  17. Dr. Gamera

    Dr. Gamera Member+

    Oct 13, 2005
    Wheaton, Maryland
    Time for a post-mortem.

    The two 2010 World Cup knockout teams that didn't qualify for 2014 are Paraguay and Slovakia, which were the top two choices in the poll. Good job, wisdom of crowds.
     

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