What's up with this new forum?

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad Academy' started by dark knight, Aug 14, 2014.

  1. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I see the logic, but in practice it really feels like we're splitting hairs to distinguish between league matches and cup matches.
     
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  2. lmorin

    lmorin Member+

    Mar 29, 2000
    New Hampshire
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So, is Bob Bradley getting a promotion to Yanks Abroad? Or, are the French leagues considered too inferior?
     
  3. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Coaching of all kinds stays in the Academy.
     
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  4. Smithsoccer1721

    Smithsoccer1721 Member+

    Feb 16, 2007
    Middle of the Table
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Can I say I am enjoying the move to having an Academy sub-forum. Really has made following threads much easier. Curious if there has been more activity due to have a dedicated space for these players.
     
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  5. FirstStar

    FirstStar Hustlin' for the USA

    Feb 1, 2005
    Time's Arrow
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yo - @bungadiri - this one's needed over in the main forum now. It's significant enough for that I think.
     
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  6. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I get your point. This is big news (and I'm delighted for Bob Bradley.) However...

    With respect to coaching, significance has never been the issue. For that matter, significance has never been the issue for any of the decisions we made when we split between the main and academy forums. There are times when young, developing player threads are the most popular (and arguably therefore the most significant) in YA, but that's not going to move them to the Main forum.

    The split was made precisely to spread the popular threads out, using the additional space available on 2 "page ones" to make them more findable. There was no derogation intended at all in placing coaches in Academy.

    Which is a round-about way of saying that the thread stays here. I am genuinely sorry if that seems wrong to folks, but it's worked reasonably well so far.
     
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  7. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    Don't worry about it - at least you've appeased those pesky pun title haters.
     
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  8. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought my life could use a little simplicity right now.
     
  9. taylor

    taylor Member+

    Jun 9, 2000
    Fav team: FC CARL ZEISS JENA
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Well, but but but... He is an American coach in a first division on a non scandanavian etc.. team.

    If there ever was a needed precedent, Bradley @ EPL Swansea is without question it.
     
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  10. shnaggletooth

    shnaggletooth Member

    Jun 23, 2002
    #110 shnaggletooth, Oct 3, 2016
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    I did a thread title search for it in this specific main YA forum, found nothing, so I started this thread. It turns out the problem is that the default Bob Bradley thread is still, after all this time, located in the YA Academy forum when it really should be moved over to this forum. (the primary YA forum).
     
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  11. shnaggletooth

    shnaggletooth Member

    Jun 23, 2002
    Mods -- this needs to be moved over to the main YA forum. I started a thread on the Swansea appointment over there, but apparently this is the main Bradley thread (in the recesses of the Academy forum).
     
  12. lmorin

    lmorin Member+

    Mar 29, 2000
    New Hampshire
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Y
    I would like to add my voice to those expressing dismay at the "rule" that Yank Abroad coaches are to be relegated to a (admit it) lesser page on BS, particularly in the current instance. Bob Bradley's promotion to Swansea is a big deal, bigger IMHO than CCV getting one game with Spurs. Something equivalent to BB's promotion has not previously happened to any American coach, to my knowledge. It is in a class its own and, at the very least, deserves more recognition in BS. The "rule" should be flexible, not rigid. Take a poll, if necessary. From a purely practical point of view, I'd rather have all YA big timers in the same location, whether they are players, coaches or front office types.
     
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  13. exref

    exref Member

    Aug 1, 2009
    Louisville, KY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree. This is not the place for following Bradley's career at Swansea. I lean toward the YA Gameday thread so his tactics and selection can be discussed. However, it might be good to have a general thread dealing with the experience of the first American to coach in the EPL, and I would put that in Yanks Abroad. I didn't even know the Bradley Le Havre thread existed until I accidentally found it tonight.
     
  14. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't know about the other mods, but I have neither the time nor the inclination to police a floating system based on who qualifies as a YA big timer. I'm guessing it would be a non-stop pain in the neck that would involve more arguments in a month than this simple subdivision has since we implemented it. It would also explicitly bring into play the kind of judgment you and others are finding so objectionable when you mistakenly read it into the Academy vs regular forum assignments: this guy is more important than that guy. That was not the rationale for creation of the Academy forum and, as I said, there's no derogation intended by placing anyone's thread here. For more than a year, we had regular users raising their concerns with us that a single discussion forum had become cumbersome to use. After some discussion, this is what we settled on. This setup doesn't stop anybody from following Bob Bradley: This thread has been among the more active ones in YA since he started at Le Havre and there's nothing about its position in the Academy forum that prevents it from being an effective means for following his career at Swansea. I'd guess it's far more likely that this thread will stay on the front page of Academy (and therefore be easier to find) far more easily than it would in the regular forum.
     
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  15. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The gameday forum is for threads about specific games. There's nothing stopping anyone from starting a thread for Swansea games, just as there was never anything preventing people from starting game-specific threads when Le Havre played or when Staebek played, for that matter.
     
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  16. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think this is right. And perhaps there is enough uproar now that the rule will be changed.
     
  17. lmorin

    lmorin Member+

    Mar 29, 2000
    New Hampshire
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I get your objections but, for the record, I don't believe for an instant that management would be more cumbersome or time-consuming. Nor, if implemented according to the apparent standards already in existence for players, would it invoke any kind of judgment about quality. Bob's case is a perfect example. He received a promotion to coach a first tier club just as CCV recently received a promotion to play for a first tier club. The logic is the same; the rule is the same. I simply do not see a problem. Besides, how many times has this issue ever arisen previously? Zero, to my knowledge. How many Yanks do you expect to move into head coach positions in first tier clubs during the next few years anyway? That's what it comes down to.
     
  18. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll bring it up with the other mods.
     
  19. WrmBrnr

    WrmBrnr Member+

    Apr 12, 2001
    San Carlos
    That's too reasonable. We can't go around having reason on BigSoccer. The site's reputation will be tarnished! I even had the best thread title ready - with loads of alliteration: "Saddest Swan Song - Bob Bradley Banished to YA Backwaters by Bungadiri, at Swansea" - rolls off the tongue right?


    Whenever issues like this come up I am always baffled as to why people don't use the watched threads function. You have the patience of a saint, @bungadiri
     
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  20. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think we are also at the point to consider a "YA Coaches" forum. Put the coaches and administrative folks in there and let people find something else to argue over.
     
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  21. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think Bob should have his own separate board in the USA section. The nepotism threads could be archived there as well.

    :p
     
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  22. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That sound you just heard was me throwing my laptop out the window.

    Sent from bungadiri's ********ing Android
     
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  23. lmorin

    lmorin Member+

    Mar 29, 2000
    New Hampshire
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thank you. And, by the way, I thoroughly appreciate the job you do.
     
  24. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks. And I'm happy to admit it if I'm wrong about something. If that were to ever happen of course.;)
     
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  25. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    That makes even my head hurt from the remembered head aches
     
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