What should have been the Gold Cup roster?

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  1. ifsteve

    ifsteve Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Jul 7, 2013
    MS and ID
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know this is going to be REALLY hard for some (most?) of you. But all the discussion in the Venezuela post game thread has gone round and round. So lets try and synthesize this down simply. No discussion. No why or why not. How about you list the 23 guys you would have selected for the Gold Cup.
    Factor in whatever you want. Current form, U20 WC needs, Club needs, injuries. etc. Just list your 23.

    Keepers - Steffan, Johnson, Miller (or Klinsmann)

    Defenders - Miazga, Besler, Long, Zimmerman, Lima, Robinson, Ream, Cannon

    Midfielders - McKennie, Pulisic, Trapp, Morales, Bradley, Roldan

    Fowards - Altidore, Wood, Sargent, Arriola, Boyd, Zardes
     
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  2. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 4, 2017
    Assuming Brooks, Yedlin, Wood and Horvath were actually hurt.

    Keepers - Steffan, Hamid, MIller

    Defenders - Miazga, Besler, Long, CCV, Lima, Robinson, Lichaj, Cannon

    Midfielders - McKennie, Pulisic, Bradley, Adams (Morales), Holmes (Green) , Aaronsen

    Fowards - Altidore, Nova, Sargent, Arriola, Boyd, Memo Rodriguez
     
  3. CNYFC

    CNYFC Member

    Mar 28, 2016
    Assuming following are unable to play due to injury:
    1. Horvath
    2. Brooks
    3. Yedlin
    4. Adams
    5. Lletget
    6. Holmes
    Playing a 4-3-3 this would be my 23, would play with 2 #8s and a deeper 6 because we don't have a #10

    • GK:
      1. Steffen
      2. Johnson
      3. Guzan
    Defenders:

    • CB
      1. Miazga
      2. Carter-Vickers
      3. Zimmerman
      4. Alvarado
    • RB
    1. Lima
    2. Chandler
    • LB
      1. Arriola
      2. Robinson
      3. (Lima)
      4. (Alvarado)
    Midfielders:

    • CDM - 6
      1. Bradley
      2. Morales
      3. (Mckennie)
    • CM - 8
    1. Mckennie
    2. Williams
    3. Corona
    4. (Morales)
    5. (Bradley)
    • LW
      1. Pulisic
      2. Amon
      3. (Arriola)
    • RW
      1. Boyd
      2. Sabbi
      3. (Pulisic)
      4. (Arriola)
    • CF
      1. Altidore
      2. Sargent
      3. Wooten

    Suggested XI:

    --------------------Steffen------------------------
    Lima-------Miazga----Alvarado-------Arriola
    --------------------Bradley-----------------------
    ------------Mckennie---Williams---------------
    Boyd---------------Altidore--------------Pulisic

    2nd XI:


    Guys that would be in my 23 without youth tournament considerations:

    1. Weah for Sabbi
    2. Pomykal for Corona
    3. Richards Zimmerman
     
  4. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Youtube: Jimmy Dore, Secular Talk
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #4 thedukeofsoccer, Jun 17, 2019
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    GK - Steffen, Guzan, Miller
    CB: Long, Miazga, Besler, M. Robinson
    FB: Lima, Cannon, Lichaj, A. Robinson
    CM: McKennie, EPB, Adams, Corona, Morales
    WF: Pulisic, Novakovich, Boyd, Mueller
    CF: Sargent, Altidore, Morris
    Skipper: Marsch
     
  5. dlokteff

    dlokteff Member+

    Jan 22, 2002
    San Francisco, CA
    :D

    There are no replacements anymore
     
  6. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Youtube: Jimmy Dore, Secular Talk
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's actually good news. I hated that rule because you should have to win with the squad you brought from the beginning. But as long as I thought it was in effect, might as well have exploited it, and got a couple worthy youngsters who were busy in the u20 WC into the fray.
     
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  7. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    #7 DHC1, Jun 17, 2019
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2019
    Assuming following are unable to play due to injury:
    1. Horvath
    2. Brooks
    3. Yedlin
    4. Adams
    5. Lletget
    6. Holmes
    Goalkeepers (3)
    Steffen, Johnson, Hamid

    Central Defenders (4)
    Long, Miazga, CCV, Zimmerman

    Injury (red) replacement: Palmer Brown

    Central Midfielders (5-6)
    McKennie, Morales, Williams, Bradley/Bedoya, Canouse

    Injury replacements: Bradley/Bedoya

    Outside Back/Wing (5-6)
    Arriola, Boyd, Johnson, Chandler, Lima

    Injury replacements: A. Robinson, Cannon, Dest, Gloster


    Attackers (5)
    Pulisic, Altidore, Zardes, Sargent, Wood, Nova

    Injury replacement: Wooten, Soto
     
  8. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    The best American keeper today is Frei. And that's not even close.
     
  9. Three and Three

    Sep 13, 2015
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    That we exploited the rule in the last GC hurt us in the end. And one could see it all coming.
     
  10. Marius Tresor

    Marius Tresor Member

    Aug 1, 2014
    #10 Marius Tresor, Jun 17, 2019
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2019
    Brooks, Yedlin, Adams, Holmes, and Horvath (would be on roster, but injured).

    Goalkeepers: Steffan, Hamid, S. Johnson

    Defenders: Miazga, Alvarado, Richards, Carter-Vickers, Chandler, Robinson, F. Johnson, Cannon, Moore

    Midfielders: McKennie, Pulisic, Morales, Williams, Green, Weah

    Forwards: Altidore, Novakovich, Sargent, Boyd, Sapong
     
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  11. Marius Tresor

    Marius Tresor Member

    Aug 1, 2014
    *Steffen (sorry, Zack)
     
  12. Marius Tresor

    Marius Tresor Member

    Aug 1, 2014
    If everyone were healthy and available:

    Goalkeepers: Steffen, Horvath, Hamid

    Defenders: Miazga, Brooks, Richards, Carter-Vickers, Chandler, F. Johnson, Yedlin, Moore

    Midfielders: Adams, McKennie, Pulisic, Morales, Williams, Green, Weah, Holmes

    Forwards: Altidore, Sargent, Boyd, Sapong
     
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  13. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    SJ Earthquakes/Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Pleasanton, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Taking unfortunate injuries into account, I'm going to skew young anyways.

    I'm not using 3G's 40-man, which was a roster that I don't think was very good.

    GK's: Steffen, Gonzalez, Guzan

    Steffen #1 with no Horvath to challenge him. Gonzalez is 3rd best young GK in the pool. Guzan there for Nick Rimando role. I don't rate Johnson, may as well have the most experienced GK in the pool as the 3rd GK.

    Defenders: Miazga, CCV, Lima, Zimmerman, Robinson, FabJ, Besler, Long

    Plenty of excellent CB pairings to choose from. Besler's the most consistent CB we've ever had at the NT level, and provides experience. I like Long in that LB/CB spot. FabJ aslo fits there, and Robinson can play LB if we go standard FB's. Lima is presumably the RB/hybrid role, with FabJ under him.

    Midfielders: McKennie, Morales, Bradley, Bedoya, Pomykal

    McKennie is automatic. Pomykal deserves some time after a fantastic U20's. I think he can be one of those 10's. I assume Bedoya starts, but it's a tossup between him, MB, and Morales. Depends on who we're facing I guess. I have Puli listed as a winger, not a 10, but I suppose he could be put here too, either way.

    Forwards: Boyd, Altidore, Sargent, Weah, Novakovich, Wooten, Pulisic

    Altidore, Sargent, Nova, Wooten, 4 forwards. Boyd, Pulisic, Weah, 3 wingers. Gotta have Altidore, Sargent's better than Zardes, may as well bring Novakovich and kick the tires there. Wooten was the hottest American striker this year, and I want someone with goals in them if Altidore craps the bed again. Wooten's got experience wide as a midfielder/winger as well, so he's cover for Boyd/Pulisic along with Weah. Boyd and Pulisic are autostarters.

    I sure like my 23 more than 3G's. LMK what you think!
     
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  14. UncagedGorilla

    Sep 22, 2009
    Tulsa
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    I believe we should be trying to win the Gold Cup and using our best talent to do so. The USMNT needs credibility. Weah is the only player I would have called, and started, from the U20's. Amon is his replacement. Given that plus the injuries, here's who I would call up and my 11.

    GK (3) - Steffen, Gonzalez, Frei
    Defenders (8) - Miazga, Besler, CCV, A. Robinson, Lichaj, Lima, Garza, Alvarado
    Midfielders (6) - McKennie, Pulisic, Morales, Cameron, Green, Canouse
    Forwards (5) - Boyd, Altidore, Sargent, Amon, Gall
    Bonus last player cut at each position - Miles Robinson, Hyndman, Novakovich

    Here's how my 11 would line up:
    ---------------Altidore-----------------
    Gall-----------Pulisic--------Boyd--
    -------Cameron----McKennie-----
    Garza--Besler---Miazga---Lichaj
    --------------Steffen-------------------

    To be honest, every 23 and lineup I've seen in this thread would smoke the team that's actually playing.
     
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  15. bob347

    bob347 Member

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Oct 15, 2017
    #15 bob347, Jun 18, 2019
    Last edited: Jun 18, 2019
    GK: Steffen, Gonzalez, Horvath
    RB: Dest, *Olosunde, *Moore
    CB; Miazga CCV, Palmer-Brown, ZImmerman
    LB: F. Johnson, A.Robinson
    MF: 6: Cameron, Morales, 8: McKennie, D. Williams 10: Hyndman, Pomykal
    F: 7: Weah, Wooten, 9: Sargent, Nova, 11: Pulisic, * Boyd (F. Johnson)

    Steffen
    Dest Miazga Zimmerman Johnson
    Cameron McKennie
    Hyndman
    Weah Sargent Pulisic

    Or

    Steffen
    Dest Miazga Zimmerman Robinson
    Cameron McKennie
    Pulisic
    Weah Sargent Johnson

    Of those not injured, the above is the best we have in the pool right now.

    * = one of those three players would not make the roster.
     
  16. dlokteff

    dlokteff Member+

    Jan 22, 2002
    San Francisco, CA
    This process is somewhat depressing given the pool. I still managed to easily get to 40 with no Lovitz, Trapp, Zardes, Lewis, or even Bradley, etc. etc.

    I'll start with my 40-Man:

    GK: Steffen, Hamid, Horvath, Frei, Guzan

    OB: F.Johnson, Yedlin, Lichaj, A.Robinson, Rosenberry

    CB: Long, Brooks, Miazga, Zimmerman, M.Robinson, Opara, Ream, Carter-Vickers, Trusty

    DM: Adams, S.Davis, Morales, Canouse

    CM: McKennie, Roldan, Lletget, Pomykal, Holmes, Green

    W: Pulisic, Boyd, Weah, Arriola, M.Rodriguez

    F: Altidore, Sargent, Sapong, Novakovich, Wood, Wooten

    Of course many others I considered. Only one though I had in, then crossed out was Geoff Cameron - decided he's too old (and maybe injured).

    I have to replace Brooks and Yedlin (I won't replace Wood, have heard no confirmation of injury status) due to injury from the jump. We'll go like for like and add in Palmer-Brown and Lima.

    Subsequent injury rules out Adams, Horvath, Lletget & Holmes. Obviously Adams would have been in the 23 as would Horvath. Holmes or Lletget would have made it but probably not both. Not sure which. Oh well.

    Final 23:
    GK: Steffen, Hamid, Frei

    OB: Johnson, Lichaj, Rosenberry, Lima
    I would have had Robinson over Lima, but performance against Jamaica scared me off.

    CB: Long, Miazga, Zimmerman, M.Robinson

    DM: Morales, S.Davis, Canouse

    CM: McKennie, Roldan, Pomykal

    W: Pulisic, Boyd, Weah

    F: Altidore, Sargent, Sapong

    I'm honestly not sure what my 11 is against Mexico in a presumptive final. Figure it out along the way.

    Against Guyana, let's go:

    ----------Altidore---Sargent------------
    ---Boyd------------------------Pulisic---
    ---------Morales-McKennie------------
    -Lichaj----Long---Miazga--Johnson-
    ----------------Hamid--------------------
     
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  17. ifsteve

    ifsteve Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Jul 7, 2013
    MS and ID
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just and FYI. Went fishing today and on the way home listened to Sirrius XMFC. They had Charlie Davies on. In talking about the roster and the Gold Cup he ahd an interesting thing to say on Jozy Altidore.

    "Altidore is THE best forward we have right now and its not even close." Then he went on the explain why he feels that way. Jist of it is that nobody else has the physical stature. Tactical awareness. And passing and finishing ability.
     
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  18. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 4, 2017
    It is rare that a striker scores a goal in a game and everyone comes out of it wondering how that player is on the roster. Zardes should be nowhere near this team. It seriously calls into question Gregg's talent assessment skill that he is here.

    He has 270' against sub-USL opponents this year and has had the ball on his feet or his head, in the 6 yard box, 6+ times and has not scored. His only goal in those three games is a ricochet he didn't even see coming even though it hit him in the eye.

    He has 500+ minutes this year and has two "goals". The above ricochet and another where he shot wildly from 35 yards and the ball rainbowed off the defender and over the GK. Meanwhile, he has had over a dozen balls near him in the box and has not created one bit of danger.

    The shot Sargent got off against Jamaica is so far outside Zardes's skill set to be almost comical to think he could have pulled it off too.
     
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  19. olephill2

    olephill2 Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Oregon
    Club:
    Watford FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Assuming injuries to players in the pool (Adams, Brooks, Yedlin, Horvath, Lletget, Holmes) and excluding guys who played in the U-20 World Cup, here is who I would have selected:

    Goalkeepers: Steffen, Guzan, S.Johnson
    Fullbacks: F.Johnson, A.Robinson, Cannon, Ream
    Center backs: Miazga, Long, Besler, Zimmerman
    Central Midfielders: Bradley, McKennie, Nagbe, Canouse, Mihailovic
    Wingers: Pulisic, Boyd, Arriola, Gall
    Strikers: Altidore, Zardes, Sargent

    Alternates (one per position):
    - J.Gonzalez
    - Lima
    - Carter-Vickers
    - Roldan
    - Amon or Lewis
    - Wooten

    If the entire pool were healthy and available (including U-20s), I would make the following changes:
    - Adams --> Canouse
    - Brooks --> Zimmerman
    - Yedlin --> Cannon
    - Horvath --> S.Johnson
    - Weah --> Gall
    - Lletget or Pomykal --> Mihailovic
     
  20. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    who i woudlve liked to see:

    Keepers - Steffan, Hamid, Frei

    Defenders - Miazga, Chris Richards, Ventura Alvarado, Miles Robinson, FabJ, Lima, Cannon, Chandler

    Midfielders - McKennie, Pulisic, Nagbe, Nguyen, Canouse, Sabbi, Boyd, Pomykal

    Fowards - Altidore, Sargent, Weah, Agudelo

    definitely missing/in consideration: brooks, yedlin, lletget, holmes, morales, williams,horvath,saief wood, gall, hyndman, aron johansson, mixx diskerud, jordan morris, keaton parks, j.lewis, ccv, EPB, opara, zimmerman, arriola, zardes, bradley etc etc
     
  21. Daveeed

    Daveeed Member

    Mar 4, 2014
    Salvador
    GK
    Chandler miazga ccv johnson
    Boyd Mckennie Morales pulisic
    Wooten Sargent

    Joel Sonora??? Argentinian league also stronger than MLS
     
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  22. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Taking into injury/form issues, Adams, Brooks, Holmes, Long, and Yedlin will be excluded.

    Productivity matters more than style. Zardes has a good goals-assists per 90 record, so is in the team.

    Sargent had 90 against Jamaica and didn't show anything.

    Agree with Davies that Altidore is the best MLS forward. Problem is he has a poor record in competition against decent sides. And he's always getting hurt.

    Would like to see decent league from Chandler and Johnson, before giving them a shot with the NT.
    Sonora has been mostly a sub.

    Pulisic: was at his best with the NT when playing behind to forwards. I'd like to get him closer to goal without exposing the team as much as the 4312 did.

    GK: Horvath, Steffen, Frei
    DF: ARobinson, CCV, Miazga, MRobinson, Zimmerman,Lima, Lichaj
    CM: McKennie, Morales, Roldan, Bedoya
    Attack: Boyd, Pulsic, Arriola, Zardes, Rodriguez, Nagbe
    FW: Sapong, Altidore, Wooten
     
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  23. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
  24. Marius Tresor

    Marius Tresor Member

    Aug 1, 2014
    Much better than any of Egg's choices.
     
  25. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    At this point, it’s more important to discuss who’ll be added after the Gold Cup...

    GK: Steffen, Horvath, Johnson

    RB: Yedlin, Cannon

    CB: Brooks, Long

    CB: Zimmerman, Miazga

    LB: Lima, Robinson

    DM: Adams, Morales

    MF: McKennie, Nagbe

    RW: Arriola, Weah

    AM: Boyd, Pomykal

    LW: Pulisic, Holmes, Morris

    FW: Altidore, Zardes, Sargent, Soto
     
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