What is the problem with Canada?

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by LouisianaViking07/09, Jun 11, 2016.

  1. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Might not be exciting on the players/operation side but this is massive on the business side.
     
  2. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Oki, J-pan
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would say announcing the date of the leagues first ever game would be considered major.
     
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  3. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
  4. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    SJ Earthquakes/Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Pleasanton, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Very smart. It's very important to test yourself against paid professionals. I imagine Liverpool's thought process is akin to PSG's thinking with Tim Weah.

    You don't want to end up like a Lletget. After a while in Europe without breaking into the first team, you've gotta find a first team that will give you that professional experience.
     
  5. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
  6. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Adojinah Reid has signed with Le Havre in Ligue 2 France

    *not loaned
     
  7. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    more to this though, signed long term contract with Liverpool.
     
  8. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
     
  9. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    BBC.com has an article regarding the Canadian Premier League.

    Another talking point that the league shared with medias here at home is that they were surprised at the amount of support they got from UEFA top leagues. EPL, Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A are all eager to offer expertise and help CPL grow and contacted the league offering their support and help.

    You remembered how different MLS reaction was to CPL when it got its sanction from the CSA and CONCACAF. First act from Garber was to minimizeit and put it down publicly which was very disappointing fans.
     
  10. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    This opens up a spot for de la Fuente on Barca B.
     
  11. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Beacon NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Garber minimized it and put CPL down only in some Canadian fans' heads.

    Is this what you found so offensive?

    "Our clubs are interested in understanding how this might impact their second teams, which are very important for the development of their clubs and their player programs."
     
  12. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    #2012 Robert Borden, Feb 1, 2019
    Last edited: Feb 1, 2019
    I didn't say "offensive", I said "disappointing". The league had been clear from the start that reserve teams would not be allowed and was going to get sanctioned as Division 1. Yet, in 2016, he commented on the league calling it lower division publicly while talking about the league impacting MLS reserve teams. Sharp contrast in tone with the other leagues congratulating without the need to make such comments.

    On an other note, this is a quick view of the signings so far and their nationality
     
  13. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    Maybe the CPL and UEFA and all the other good guys could team up against MLS and show them the error of their ways for not effusively praising a league that hasn't even begun play yet!
     
  14. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Beacon NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're a very sensitive people up there.
     
  15. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Not really but fans of CPL (in the 3 markets) are also fans of MLS in a landslide majority and plan to support both leagues. Making that comment ended up upsetting their own fans. Bill Manning had to retract himself realizing he was upsetting his own fans when he choose to double down. Both should coexist peacefully as they have 2 different mandates and fans are smart enough to understand that, no need to start anything.
     
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  16. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Beacon NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I really don't see it as starting something. More of a genuine concern about player development in a scenario where potential academy players are turning pro directly with CPL clubs at 16.

    Maybe TFC 2 would be better off developing going US players playing in Buffalo.

    I would think there's some trepidation in Canada about the quality of coaching in CPL. I'm not putting CPL down but it's going to take a while to develop a high quality support mechanism for young players.

    The US development academy started in 2007 and players still aren't getting the strandard of coaching they would in a top Euro league.
     
  17. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I have yet to see such a specific case. There's one 17 years old that was signed in Halifax but he impressed during the friendly between the Atlantic Canada team and Fortuna Dusseldorf youth team, which they won. We've tried TFC way for over a decade and did not have any results. Time for a different approach.

    The CSA takes their cue for what works for Canada and wants a Canadian way for developing players. The CHL is a good model to replicate. If you're good enough, you're old enough and hockey players are put through a pretty brutal schedule and lifestyle before hitting the NHL, and it has worked for us all these years. We are going that route.

    As for famous NHL coaches, they came from the CHL so CPL wont be any different. Is it that we have no good coach or is it that they have nowhere to coach past a certain level? If We aren't the one giving them opportunities, other nations wont do it for us.

    Not a good way to get the fans to stay loyal to your brand. People care about local content and CPL is adding pressure to the 3 teams to increase their Canadian content.

    Canada's problem was always the lack of top league and clear pathway to professional soccer, not development. Bobby Smyrtionis who was hired by Hamilton, ran Sigma for years who produce quality players over the years like Larin. In Halifax, Stephen Hart has an extensive resume, Wheeldon lead Calgary Foothills in a dominant run winning the PDL cup with a Canadian Heavy roster. Rob Gale in Winnipeg, managed many Canada U teams.

    CPL provides the platform for the next generation of Canadian coaches and Executives to excel and get even better, something you can't do without a top league.
     
  18. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    #2018 Robert Borden, Feb 3, 2019
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  19. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Hutchinson scores and Larin plays the last 30 minutes in a 6-2 win for Besiktas. They are back in the Champions League / Europa League qualifications zone.
     
  20. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
  21. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    I'm suprised he didn't try to get a move to a mid-tier league. With those solid CL appearances; surely some interest.
     
  22. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    There was interests but his club is dominating their league and the level is high. Seems that missing the Champions League is not an option for him.

    Same for Scott Arfield, Burnley wanted him back while other EPL clubs wanted to sign him. He went to Rangers since he'd be the heart of midfield and an Europa to maybe Champions League club, something that Burnley wasn't. I don't disagree with the logic
     
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  23. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    The program ensures MLS academies, their coaches, staff, and players work with Canada Soccer’s Men’s National Team coaches, understand the National EXCEL philosophy, and the way that Canada play. For Canada Soccer, the program lets National Team coaches understand how MLS academies operate and the conditions in which they work.

    “This is definitely a first for our country and possibly world-wide and I applaud the MLS clubs for opening their doors to embrace the opportunity,” said John Herdman, Canada Soccer’s Men’s National Team Head Coach and Men’s EXCEL Program Director. “Their openness and support is sending a message to our country that it’s possible to unite our game at all levels for the purpose of improving development opportunities for our players.

    “It’s all about creating a synergy so that we can be the best in Concacaf. There are not many clubs around the world that would let international teams come in and take over their coaching environment for a full week, but that’s what we can do differently in Canada and the could be our x-factor within Concacaf.”
     
  24. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
     
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  25. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
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