We played a 3-6-1 vs. JAM. Convince me otherwise

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  1. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
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    I'm hearing/seeing pundits tripping over themselves to call that anything other than what it was: a 3-6-1.

    Before this turns into a Sampson bashing thread, I think SS has always gotten a bad shake. He was saddled with a lot of prima donnas. (When Lexi says on a podcast that his purpose in France was to sabotage the team, that's pretty bad). This isn't about Sampson. I'm just wondering why no one will call it what it was: a 3-6-1. I heard a couple of podcasters call it a 3-4-3. Wha? Who were the other two forwards? The same guys called Miha a central mid. They're saying Arriola and Robbie were forwards in that scheme? IIIIIIIIIIIIIII don't think so.

    Why's everyone so afraid of saying it was a 3-6-1?
     
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  2. Baysider

    Baysider Member+

    Jul 16, 2004
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  3. SamsArmySam

    SamsArmySam Member+

    Apr 13, 2001
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    Whatever it was, it made me very impressed with Jamaica. And playing Jamaica on home soil after an extended camp... I don't think I'm supposed to be coming away impressed with Jamaica.
     
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  4. QuakeAttack

    QuakeAttack Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    California - Bay Area
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    Looked like a 3-5-2 to me. Of course, since our midfield struggled so much, it was more of a 3-7-0 because the two forwards came back so much.
     
  5. Konut

    Konut Member+

    May 31, 2010
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    I agree. I posted this in another thread, but it's a bit nutty that this is Berhalter's alternative system rather than a traditional 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1. I'm withholding real judgements on Berhalter until after the Gold Cup or at least a few games of it, but this game was definitely a complete mess. We'll see what happens with the "A" team.
     
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  6. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    It has been repeatedly referred to as a 3421, which is a 361 formation.
     
  7. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

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    Santa Cruz, California
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    Uh oh, is that criticism I hear? What, you thought GGG was going to win all his games? I can promise you bad games in the future! Please stop booing, he's very sensitive to people being upset that he wasted their time by being an idiot!
     
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  8. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
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    FC Schalke 04
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    United States
    Holden and GB called it a 3-4-2-1. Essentially a modern XMass tree.

    Sargeant
    Mihailovic Roldan
    Robinson Yueill Trapp Arriola
    Ream Omar Miazga
    Steffen​
     
  9. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
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    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It was the long awaited 3-crap-1 formation.
     
  10. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
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  11. RalleeMonkey

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    Who was the other forward?
     
  12. QuakeAttack

    QuakeAttack Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
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    Mihailovic. He appeared to playing the left side, but not as advanced as Sargent.

    I thought that he was playing forward as Sargent was only making runs on the right side and center. If he truely was a single forward, I would have thought that some of his play would have been more on the left side of the field.

    Who knows? Obviously Mihailovic didn't....
     
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  13. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
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    DC United
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    United States
    From someone in the upper level midfield stands with a great view down on the action, Mihailovic was definitely not playing up top with Sargent. It was Sargent up there by himself.
     
  14. AutoPenalti

    AutoPenalti Am I famous yet?

    Sep 26, 2011
    Coconut Creek
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    I’m sorry you said a 3-6-1?

    I didn’t see any forward that night. All I saw were players who looked like they weren’t coached properly.
     
  15. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

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    Jan 9, 2004
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    I'd struggle to say he was playing high. He was playing closer to a (very bad) CAM than he was a forward it seemed.

    Telling too that whenever we'd get the ball wide, the options were Sargent in the box not making a run to get open, then, basically nothing.
     
  16. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
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    FC Schalke 04
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    Likely because nobody uses that description anymore, similar to how you will almost never see anyone specify a 4-5-1 (4-2-3-1, 4-1-4-1, 4-3-2-1) anymore. Modern formations are more tactically nuanced and segmented.
     
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  17. Reccossu

    Reccossu Member+

    Jan 31, 2005
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    It was a 361. Probably why I though Chad Deering would have been an improvement.
     
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  18. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
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    That’s what I saw. I think 3G was playing like he would if Mihailovic was Pulisic and Roldan was Wes. Wes/Roldan dropped into the mid making it 5 and Pulisic/Mihailovic becomes the second forward making it 2.
     
  19. jahman

    jahman Member

    Aug 18, 2000
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    If we had any sort (now, maybe I should say a much better) youth development program, you would be highly impressed. Immense natural talent on the island, just the development is lacking. There are now a few "academies" popping up and in the next 10 years we should see the fruits of this.
     
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  20. TOAzer

    TOAzer Member+

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    May 29, 2016
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    Yeah, that's us, the modern USMNT, unlike those blighters of 2002 we are more tactically nuanced and segmented.
     
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  21. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
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    Why does this even matter? Seriously, outside of calling it BAD is just putting lipstick on a pig.

    Why would anyone care what a bunch of TV folks are deciding what to call a formation? The formation is nothing more than a base, that shifts with the ebbs and flows of the game.
     
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  22. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
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    I'm guessing Sampson's 3-6-1 was more tactically nuanced than GB's. So we can stop belittling SS's "3-6-1"?
     
  23. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
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    Because "3-6-1" has been used as a kind of joke to belittle Sampson. We can drop that trope now?
     

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