So we should simply forgive his poor tatics because we made the final. All of a sudden the critique is not valid simply because he made the final? This detractors have given him credit for making the final BUT he didn't do it using his dumbass 4-3-3 now, did he? He did it by sticking to the original team tactics -- which many of us had been asking him to do all along! That's not pride, mate. That's giving credit where due but pointing out he got their the hard way and ended being successful using the very tactics and formations we were advocating. We should be happy he got their inspite of himself.
Right. But the 4-3-3 were the tactics he was advocating all along. We were advocating using the 4-2-3-1 and using players in their correct positions...which is what he ended up doing and won. So why should those who were telling him all along to use those tactics to be more successful apologise when we were right all along? Seriously.
Right because we wouldn't know what would have happened if he tried a different tactics in those games. But doesn't really matter tho. As I said in the beginning, if we win the world cup back to back you will still see people complaining..meh don't care
We didn't know what would have happened. Apparently Löw wasn't happy with the fitness of Schweinsteiger and Khedira, so he changed the system and it got us to where we are. Can't see a fault in that.
Correction: 4-3-3 is the tactics he SAID he was advocating. Remained flexible all along despite appearing anything but, and turned on the show when it truly mattered. Don't blame me for your own shortsightedness. I've been saying this all along but only few sided with me. He hid his cards well - you were one of millions who couldn't tell. Your pride won't save you from this realization.
reaction video: mixed feelings in Rio and Berlin: http://www.spiegel.de/video/fussball-deutschland-gegen-brasilien-im-fan-duell-video-1506651.html
Ah, right.... Go back and look at the games. He stuck with the 4-3-3 until he realized it was working. Then he changed up. The fact is the 4-4-3 did not work since the Portugal match. When Germany was successful it was because he went back to the 4-2-3-1 or 4-1-4-1. You are inferring he switched back as part of hist tactics. We will never know for sure, will we? I am sure he will take credit of it regardless. But even that does not matter. The fact is that the 4-3-3 was unsucessful (except against Portugal) and the 4-2-3-1 was. So I don't see how those of use advocating it were in any way wrong. As far as pride is concerned, we gave him credit for the win. The irony is it was with the formation many had been advocating all along. Doesn't matter if it was "his plan" or not, it proved that the 4-2-3-1 was a better formation for this team than 4-3-3. Done.
But the 4-3-3 got us to the quarter finals, so obviously it was successful. And we don't know how fit Khedira and Schweinsteiger were till then, so who knows if there even was the possibility to play a 4-2-3-1 with them? Anyway, that's how Löw plays now and again, it has worked fine so far. So it's all good. I can't see anything wrong with Löw's decisions up to this point.
FACT check Schweini and Khedira not at 100% --see Schweini after 30 mins vs Ghana, see Khedira after Algeria after two weeks into the tourney: France game -- can afford to field both players in CM
How could he have played 4-2-3-1 when both Schweini and Khedira were injured and not fit. Low: 4-1 vs England, 4-0 vs Argentina, 4-0 vs Portugal, 7-1 vs Brazil (In 2 world cups) Ok I agree he is shit
May as well add one more to that list. We just don't know if Argentina want to get fücked again or if Holland want to give it a go.
You are missing the point. The 4-3-3 was successful against Portugal. It was less so against Ghana and the US. Against Algeria and France it did not work, so Loew went to the 4-2-3-1 and flexed in to the 4-1-4-1. It just would have been nice to have less of a nail-biting advance against Ghana, US and Algeria using anything other than the 4-3-3.