Va-Va Voom, speeding into Old Trafford : the Anthony Martial thread

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  1. Ashur

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    Why Martial is among the league's deadliest strikers.

    www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-utd-news-anthony-martial-15591892

    Thanks to him, United at least have a forward in the top 10 in goals scored. But that goals per minute ratio stat, is very telling. As mentioned previously, he's taken his game to the next level this season.
    Being that we're roughly halfway thru the season, I'd like to see him break the 20 total mark. Add in a handful of assists and it will be an very good season for him. One he can build off going into the final year of his contract, to parlay into the deal he wants (and deserves)
     
  2. JamesA

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    I can hardly wait for when Jose takes credit for Martial in a few years. :cool:
     
  3. incighte

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    May 1, 2016
    This argument lives in a house of straw, dude.

    Rashford - 5
    Lingard - 2
    Pogba - 6
    Sanchez - 2
    Lukaku - 2
    Martial - 0

    Martial is our best tight space dribbler. He is our best finisher 10-20 yards from goal. He needs to add more types of off the ball runs to his game if he is ever going to be a provider of many assists. He will get them here and there because of his proximity to the box and involvement in our build up - but he needs to add to his game to compete with his teammates in terms of providing.
     
  4. JamesA

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    I can cherry pick stats to suit my argument too.

    Last year, Martial got 13 As in all comps for United versus 8 for Rashford.
     
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  5. Ashur

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    #1080 Ashur, Dec 24, 2018
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    Martial's game is primed to rake in and provide tons of assists. His bread and butter is making runs at the edge of the box and either shoot if he finds himself in a good position or cut back for a teammate in a more optimal position. He's proven it last season and an argument can definitely be made that his assist tally has gone down because our attack lacked any sort of organized patterns. The overall movement upfront was awful as well. WIth these issues about to seriously improve, it stands to reason that his assists will improve significantly as well. Not something I'm worried about in the least when it comes to him or his game tbh. Martial is very unselfish.
     
  6. incighte

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    May 1, 2016
    Last year Martial, nor Rashford, put up either of those numbers.

    Both players had 9 assists for Manchester United last year.

    LMFAO.

    Edit:

    Those stats weren't cherry picked. Those stats were the cumulative effort of our entire attacking unit this season. That's literally the opposite of cherry picking. That's the entire data set, you numpty.
     
  7. JamesA

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    In all competitions for United.
    http://www.espnfc.com/player/181140/anthony-martial?season=2017

    Taking 1 year to demonstrate a trend when other years demonstrate a different trend is cherry picking.
     
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  8. incighte

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    May 1, 2016
    Hey, my dude....

    We don't count preseason friendlies or competitions - that's ********ing lame shit. Try using Transfermarkt from now on instead of ESPNFC... Talk about a trash bag for a source. Official comp's only. LMAO.

    Martial has three assists in all OFFICIAL* competitions dating back to last Christmas for Manchester United. As a young player whose game is growing and changing - I'd say a consecutive 12 month period of time where he gathers an assist every four months is as good of an indicator as any that Martial doesn't routinely provide for his teammates.

    Pogba, in that time has 12. Rashford has 7. Lingard has 5. Sanchez has 7. Lukaku has 7.

    Martial has the fewest - with 3.

    *I literally never thought I'd have to clarify to someone that preseason stats don't count.
     
  9. Ashur

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    Martial's stats breakdown since coming to United:

    2015-16: 11 goals - 4 assists (Prem), 2 - 0 (CL), 2 - 4 (FA Cup), 1 - 0 (EFL)
    2016-17: 4 - 6 (Prem), 1- 0 (EL), 1 - 2 (FA), 2 - 0 (EFL)
    2017-18: 9 - 5 (Prem), 1 - 2 (CL), 0 - 0 (FA), 1 - 0 (EFL)
    2018-19 so far: 8 - 0 (Prem), 1 - 0 (CL)

    As stated previously, it stands to reason that his assist tally will increase now that there will likely be a more organized attacking structure around him. Don't think it's a coincidence that his best numbers, assists wise, were under van Gaal. The style of play might have been insipid, but the overall scheme definitely was far more structured and organized than it was under Mourinho.
    As such we can fully expect to see him numbers grow sharply going forward. A nice goal, as mentioned above, would be for him to finish at minimum at 20 - 5 in all remaining comps.
     
  10. MizzouMUFC

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    Actually you're both wrong. The most accurate stat would be chance creation per 90 minutes. That eliminates discrepancy based on who played more minutes and is better than assists because it isn't dependant on other player finishing the chance.

    So with that said, and I only looked up stats for last year in the league because I don't care enough to look up more, this was the result...

    Martial created 1.89 chances per 90 minutes and Rashford created 1.12 chances per 90 minutes.
     
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  11. JamesA

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    And that's why I love ya Mizzou...lol. The gentleman's way of telling me to ******** off, I'm wrong. ;)
     
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  13. Ashur

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    #1088 Ashur, Dec 29, 2018
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    Ole will talk to Martial and Dave to try and convince them to stay at United.

    www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/11594639/ole-gunnar-solskjaer-to-try-to-talk-to-anthony-martial-and-david-de-gea-into-manchester-united-stay

    Talk about dedication and love for the club. Maybe Ole is thinking strategically also: he has made it clear that he wouldn't mind having a crack at the job permanently. And if he does a great job in the next 5mos, it's likely he will be in the convo.
    So why not give it a try with those 2 in particular?
     
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  15. thenamestsam

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    I'm never one to pay Woodward a compliment but he does deserve credit for keeping a long view with respect to Martial and not overreacting to a foolish manager's whims. Granted we're talking mostly about avoiding a major mistake, but if and when Martial puts ink on a new deal that will be job well done by Woody.
     
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  16. gatekeeper2

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    Great news re Martial. Well done, Woody!

    Woody’s decision to sack Mourinho, though obvious, deserves more credit than has been given so far. And his decision to hire Ole.
     
  17. Ashur

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    #1092 Ashur, Jan 18, 2019
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  18. JC7rox

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    But it’s a big one. For all those who were about backing the manager, Martial’s departure would have been part of that. Woody took waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long to kill that, but sticking to his guns will have paid off if Martial does re-up.

    Martial and Rashford can be devastating for years to come.
     
  19. MizzouMUFC

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    I was thinking about this earlier today. If we can lock up a young RW with potential we could have the front 3 locked up for the next 7-8 years. I'm think Bailey, Dembele, or Sancho. With Chong, Greenwood, and Gomes coming into the first team and Jesse still around playing a role. Not too shabby.
     
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  22. Ashur

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    Many outlets, including Skysports, are reporting that Martial is on the verge of signing his contract extension with the club. Should be done by the weekend allegedly.
     
  23. Anonymous_United

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    Great News ... I still rate him over Rashford..
     
  24. Ashur

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    Martial has signed a new contract that ties him down to United for the next 5yrs.
     
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