USWNT lawsuit against USSF for getting paid less than USMNT

Woo hoo, so does income tax, property tax, and sales tax.

Jesus Christ, are you saying that government regulation of any kind means that something is not controlled by market forces? Because Texas having zoning laws means they're not free either.

 

I think that's the most equitable solution -- balancing gender equality of opportunity with the reality of revenue generation. I'll bet we're not far off from that right now.

 

Almost. If you put the word “solely” before market forces, then I would agree.

 

So in the next contract does the fed just offer the women exactly the contract the men have?

 

If the Fed were actually bad-faith actors they'd probably do that, and the WNT wouldn't sign it if it were presented to them.

 

I actually think the Women would lose quite a bit of money if they signed the agreement the Men have. Or put more exactly, the current Tier 1 players would really lose a lot of money compared to their current agreement.

The two teams operate in completely different environments. The job of "Women's Soccer Player" is just not the same as "Men's Soccer Player". Not saying either is harder or less demanding. They are just not equivalent.

The way the data was cherry picked by the lawyers for the women leads me to believe this is all just a P.R. campaign. I think the Women would do better to just pocket the fees they are going to pay Kessler for this.

 

Why? What does "good faith" mean for a Federation that is being sued again after the WNT signed a CBA in 2017?

 

Even if they produce less revenue, give the WNT the say per-diems and hotel accommodations and all that stuff. Make paychecks based off revenue created solely.

I never want to hear any of this stuff again

 

Because USSF could very easily, very publicly say "okay ladies, here is a brand new CBA and it is identical to the MNT CBA in terms of how much you all get paid and all the off-field gameday stuff like hotels and per diem and such are now identical here you go" and the women would absolutely turn it down, because it would remove a bunch of guaranteed income they currently receive that the men do not.

That would be USSF negotiating in bad faith, using the public forum (as the WNT has now attempted to do during 2 WC cycles) against the people they're supposed to be negotiating with.

 

Of course they would; that's what I mean.

 

So, the WNT is negotiating in "bad faith", right? What if USSF released the WNT's proposed "compensation based on revenue-generated" model?

Because the entire reason this is an issue is that nobody knows what the CBA is, and what each side has suggested...

 

Some of the hotels are not USSF's choice but FIFA's. The women seem to be blatantly ignoring this.

 

There's cherry picking and flat out lying. The women have been using the argument comparing income if the men and women both play 20 friendlies a year. Not one reporter has asked if the men play anywhere near that many friendlies.

 

I wouldn’t say the WNT is negotiating in bad faith per se, but they’re definitely trying to leverage public opinion and general ignorance of the realities of the situation to their advantage. Which is certainly their right when trying to get paid.

 

Then why is it not the USSF's "right" to shine the light on the actual economic realities that the USWNT are distorting in the public eye for personal gain? It's "bad faith" for the USSF to do it, but it's fine when the USWNT do it? Sounds like a double-standard to me.

I'm not a believer in "tit for tat" in all things, but when someone accuses you of something and submits evidence that's clearly biased/doctored to make themselves look better, you're well within your rights to fire back with a full picture of the evidence.

 

Maybe “bad-faith” wasn’t the right adjective. I simply meant that if USSF wanted to be difficult or play a little dirty they’d negotiate that way.

 

It would be perhaps a little "hardball", but the WNT opened the door to that option is all I'm saying. Do you want to negotiate all behind closed doors? That's fine with me. Do you want to start saying things in public that aren't true (or, aren't fully true)? Well, you might get a publicized refutation as well.

 

I actually think this lawsuit could work in both USSF's and the USMNT's favor. They attract a lot more news coverage and casual fans from a lawsuit for equal pay than they could get from playing a bunch more she believes cups, or whatever other glorified friendly tournaments they come up with. I think the women win regardless of the result of the lawsuit, because they attract more fans. And if the women attract more fans, USSF wins too. The actual facts of the case are almost irrelevant.

 

if that's the case, the men should be looking at significantly lower salaries.

 

i haven't seen any alienation. if they continue on a mediocre playing path, i could definitely see some backlash, however.

 

my suspicion is that many of these posters aren't actually fans.