PBP: USA vs France; June 9th, 2018

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by Sebsasour, Jun 9, 2018.

  1. wrench

    wrench Member+

    May 12, 2007
    NYC
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I like MM n Parker a lot. Both rugged enough and just have that mentality that loves goin at it. Would like to see more EPB either in front or next to these two. McK has the seasoning that Adams needs from European training. Both good but different right now. Wood needs a heads up type partner because he has no link up skill. It's straight ahead or nothing. So Sarge developes and we hope for someone else to break out. A steady flow of games this year and we win the hex hands down. Btw, the intangible of this group is chemistry. I see it and I'm sure I'm not alone.
     
  2. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Remember we are talking very young player here so anything that is said could be wrong in 4 years. However, that should not prevent us from judging if he makes the USMNT better or worse by his presence. At cmid he makes the team worse.
    Slow draw (centrally) He needs the touch line to orient himself. He flunks as a cmid.

    I also wonder if he wasn't responsible for France's goal. CCV moves to cover aft; a ball that is cut back should be for the dmid closest the ball which was Adams, no? He was responsible for the winning goal Ireland scored.

    So net negative.
     
  3. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member

    Jul 6, 2006
    so you are upset by players and refs waving trainers on as players lay on the ground bleeding?

    none of those are doctors and some trainers have somewhat limited backgrounds in medicine.

    players bang heads...laying on ground bleeding...aren't getting up...they need to be evaluated its common sense.

    what is ur background in the game of soccer? I mean are you qualified to even talk about the game or do you not need to have played or coached 10 years in a top 5 league to talk about it?
     
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  4. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member

    Jul 6, 2006
    oh and ur point is that you hate tt and you watch the entire match waiting for a chance to complain about the announcer...which is a strange way to watch something thats supposed to be fun.
     
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  5. PalmettoSpur

    PalmettoSpur Member

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Random thoughts:
    1. I'm sad we didn't get the 1-0 win, but to put it in perspective, we were playing a World Cup favorite on their home soil with their starting XI in their last warm-up game before the world's biggest tournament. They started some of the world's most expensive and talented players (Mbappe, Kante, Lloris, Pogba, Griezmann, etc.), and we started 10 guys who had 10 or fewer caps. They brought in guys like Ousmane Dembele and Fekir. We brought in Joe Corona, Yedlin, and an 18-year old kid who has never played a senior-team minute at his club.

    Downplay it all you want, but our XI went toe-to-toe with a lot of the top 50 players in the world, on their home turf, and came away with a draw. I'm really happy.

    2. I'd argue that Miazga is our best defender, and he went out injured, and another young CB stepped in and did a great job. That's exciting. They weren't going against slouches. Our young CB death will be a huge boost going forward.

    3. How big has Antonee Robinson been these last few games? I'm excited that we have a real, honest-to-God Premier League-quality left-back. I hope he can stay healthy. He, Steffen, Miazga, EPB, CCV, Yedlin, and whoever emerges over the next few years -- that's a promising group. I hope Shaq Moore can continue to improve defensively. (As an added bonus, I like the little bit I've seen of Marlon Fossey at the youth level, although that's obviously a long way from senior MNT level.)

    4. I'm ecstatic for Julian Green. It seemed like he hit a real downward spiral after the '14 World Cup, but he's worked his way back into the USMNT conversation and scored an amazing goal today.

    5. I know we weren't exactly dominant today, but we did exactly what we had to do to get a great result against a team that should've absolutely massacred us.

    (On a side note, I'm watching Columbus right now for the first time in ages, and they're incredibly exciting.)
     
  6. orcrist

    orcrist Member+

    Jun 11, 2005
    Bay Area, California, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Next best thing to fulfilling your dreams: destroying someone else's :thumbsup:
     
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  7. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #582 onefineesq, Jun 9, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 9, 2018
    His determination was that they should come off and be evaluated ... in the midst of a friendly. He was right. I don't understand what the argument is.
     
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  8. NGV

    NGV Member+

    Sep 14, 1999
    I doubt he went into a downward spiral - he just wasn't an exceptional youth prodigy in the first place. Forget about the bizarre World Cup selection and just evaluate him as with any other young player, and his career looks pretty ordinary. And that's not a bad thing, because it's the kind of ordinary career that could be very compatible with being a useful contributor for the USA.

    Green is basically the same age as Kellyn Acosta, has a bunch of pro experience under his belt now, and obviously has some talent. I think he should be considered a good prospect who's just a little ways into his adult career, and neither a flop nor a comeback kid.
     
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  9. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
    Club:
    --other--
    No he said subbed off. With blood,they had to come off anyway. And yes in a friendly subbing is a clear decision. If this were a meaningful match I’d expect one or both to return
     
  10. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That is what I meant by come off in this case … subbed off (I was not clear). But this WAS a friendly, which of course Twellman knew. So yes, saying they should be off and evaluated was completely correct. Only a fool would have kept the players on in that situation.
     
  11. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Blood-to-blood contact. That's dangerous. It's basically as if Giroud and Miazga had unprotected sex.

    1005547866927099911 is not a valid tweet id
     
  12. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member

    Jul 6, 2006
    wait you just said someone ur issue was that tt wasn't qualified to say they should be taken on...are you qualified to say one or both should stay?
     
  13. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member

    Jul 6, 2006
    wait so you think tt knew this was a friendly? I am not convinced I think he thought it was a wc group match(he's had a bunch of concussions)
     
  14. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
    Club:
    --other--
    This question makes no sense
     
  15. USA-Zebuel

    USA-Zebuel Member+

    Mar 26, 2013
    Club:
    Colón de Santa Fe
    How is the weather up there?

    This is a comment if France’s tendency to melt down at the slightest adversity. Did you remove a rib so you could blow yourself or were you born that way?
     
  16. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member

    Jul 6, 2006
    ok let me try again

    you said ur issue is that tt isn't qualified to say if a player should be taken off/evaluated for a head injury after that collision

    you go onto say you'd expect one if not both to return after that happening...

    if tt isn't qualified to say they need to be taken off and evaluated...how are you qualified to say they shouldn't be taken off meaning that you can tell there is apparently no chance at any sort of head injury(which is what would keep them from returning) or the cuts aren't that bad(miazga got 14 stitches).

    here is my third try

    if tt is qualified to say something...why are you?
     
  17. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    On My Squatty Potty
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wut.

    No it's not.
     
  18. David 2016

    David 2016 New Member

    Mar 6, 2016
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Trapp is too slow imo.
     
  19. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member

    Jul 6, 2006
    he did ok he isn't great but its not like there are a ton of realistic options at this point.
     
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  20. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    SJ Earthquakes/Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Pleasanton, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, this was at a practice after school before a track meet, I was 16 and a Junior in High School.

    I went to the hospital in an ambulance, my head got scanned, an they looked for any brain bleeding or signs of a concussion. They found none, jammed a big needle of painkillers in my head (I have a big phobia of needles), then stapled my scalp together with a staple gun that looked like it was from office depot.

    I'm just trying to illustrate, times when you figure you'd have a concussion (e.g clash of heads with blood) you might not have a concussion. Times that you wouldn't think you have a concussion, maybe you do. Loads of players keep playing despite cuts, head or otherwise.

    I doubt Giroud misses a WC game. He'll get evaluated, but blood =/= injury.
     
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  21. orcrist

    orcrist Member+

    Jun 11, 2005
    Bay Area, California, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow. I did not expect this reaction to my light-hearted joke. I'm thrilled if we are the ones to make France melt down.
    Lighten up. Seriously.
     
  22. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member

    Jul 6, 2006
    well funny how things change..it went from nbd to you went to the hospital in an ambulance, had a scan. painkillers...strange since there was no injury perhaps a lawsuit should've been filled perhaps some insurance fraud, again strange...staples when there was no injury...what were they closing an injury perhaps?

    this was done correct(although probably not the whole story). head injury occured and you were evaluated and treated. this is how it should be done, it shouldn't be just because you jumped up after it happened laughed and wanted to keep practicing saying you were fine that the coaches let you. It shouldn't matter of its practice or a game. This is what tt is saying when and serious injury like with you occcurs they need to be removed and evaluated especially when it involves the head. People getting on TT for this are really out of touch with what he is saying.

    its better to be safe then sorry.
     
  23. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Getting your head split open by a clash of heads is, by definition, an injury. It may not be an injury that keeps you out of the next available game, but it is most certainly an injury that needs to be taken seriously at the time … as YOUR head injury was.
     
  24. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member

    Jul 6, 2006
    what he is trying to argue is he didn't have a concussion and if you don't have a concussion...you can't ever say someone should be evaluated to see if they have a concussion that assumption shouldn't be made...ever.

    so a guy goes out cold...smelling salts and get him back out there you can't just assume he has a concussion that is right lol.
     
  25. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why are we still reliving this? It’s done and been discussed to death.
     

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