US women soccer players want equal pay to US men's team.

Isn't "fair" subjective by definition?

 

<touches nose>

 

" Fair is foul, and foul is fair:
Hover through the fog and filthy air"


Is this the definition you mean?

 

Your whole premise that those pushing against equal pay is tied to the quality of the play and losing to 15 year olds is wrong. That argument usually only gets trotted out when the argument that the women are superior soccer players to the men because they win gets trotted out. Both are stupid arguments that have no bearing on the conversation, and your Heath/Arriola argument comes dangerously close to that.

I am against equal for the sake of equal (although that seems to be the direction our country is moving in general, but that's another conversation for another time). If the women can generate more revenue than the men, then by all means they should earn more than the men. Professional athletics is an entertainment. People in the entertainment industry get paid for how much they entertain. You might be the best comedian known to man, but if nobody shows up to watch your performances, you don't get paid. You might be the best musician ever, but if you can't sell tickets to your concerts or sell your music or merchandise, you don't get paid. Conversely, you could be in a crappy pop band with a catchy song, and make millions more than the best musician ever. I would tell my 12 year old that's life.

 

Right, but individual sports--which, other than tennis and golf, basically don't exist for 99.9% of Americans other than two weeks every 4 years (sounds like the USWNT, come to think of it)--vs teams that people follow on a continual basis isn't really an apt comparison.

As for tennis, I'm not a fan of the sport but I've heard people who are say that the women's game is actually more entertaining because of their lesser athleticism, specifically that they don't hit the ball as hard which leads to more back-and-forth action.

 

Look at it this way. Some have suggested that USWNT should break from USSF and start their own deal (it will never happen, but let's go with it). In that case, which association would earn the money that comes from those games against other teams, and the Copa America money? You guessed it, it would all go in the MNT pot, every last penny. Who would earn the money from SheBelieves and ToN? Right again, the WNT. If you were to really separate it, there is just more money on the men's side.

This is an entertainment industry, where people are paid based on how much they entertain. Serious question for all those who believe in equal for the sake of equal: how much money have you spent on the USWNT (tickets mainly, jerseys and other apparel)?

 

$0 but still, if I’m out in public—nowhere near a soccer event, I’m more likely to run into a female wearing a uswnt kit than a male wearing a usmnt kit.

 

WNBA players all made more than Zion did last year.

This is the last response on this specific topic from me. I tried to help you by asking if you meant “competition.” It’s the same sport, and that’s just a fact and if you want to keep arguing, enjoy masturbating.

 

That's not been my experience.

 

No-one is suggesting NWSL players make the same as MLS players.

 

if woman want to be equal stop demanding male organizations to subsidize your sports

 

I don't mean to offend you, BUT...that's just stupid.

 

Different employers.

 

False. The NBA owns the WNBA.

 

Really? Does the NBA pay their salaries?

 

Mediation coming after the World Cup.

https://sports.yahoo.com/uswnt-u-soccer-federation-agree-173144847.html

 

This doesn't mean much. Most cases involve mediation at the early stages so each side can feel each other out regarding settlement, but it is very early for it to go anywhere.

If I were USSF, I would be sticking to my guns on this case because giving in will set a bad precedent for the future. The economic situation is certainly to change in the coming years. This was an uniquely revenue-poor cycle for the men, given that we didn't qualify for the World Cup. That's unlikely to repeat itself (we hope). If USMNT qualify for the WC, and the youth movement pays dividends with a substantially improved team, the tenuous women's revenue generation argument for the current cycle will be even less plausible.

At the same time, Europe is starting to catch up with the USWNT. It remains to be seen how long it will take for USWNT to be firmly knocked off their perched, but it seems inevitable. Consequently, the USWNT may eventually lose some of its luster, and consequently its economic pull.

All of this means that the economics of equal treatment may become even more disconnected from actual revenue performance in the coming years, and USSF giving into some firm commitment to equal pay may bite them in the ass when the men far outperform the women, revenue-wise.

 

Yes.

 

Yet another sign that this was a PR stunt all along.