US v Mexico Rivalry from MLS 2013/14 CCL Quarterfinal Thread

Discussion in 'Gold Cup' started by tab5g, Feb 6, 2014.

  1. It's called FOOTBALL

    It's called FOOTBALL BigSoccer Yellow Card

    May 4, 2009
    But Mexico still qualified, which is the point of WCQ. They played like a team that knew that you can qualify out of this region while still shitting the bed (pardon the language). And that's exactly what happened, they qualified while dropping a deuce on the Posturepedi.

    If only 1 spot was available, would Chepo have stayed as long as he did? Would Mexican wingers have made failed cross after failed cross to the middle? We simply do not know, and that's why it's inconclusive that any 1 C'CAF team, of the remaining 4, is the best right now. After the WC, we will have a better idea.
     
  2. RafaLarios

    RafaLarios Member+

    Oct 2, 2009
    Medellín
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Country:
    Colombia
    people like you make me wish Mexico never qualified for Brazil..... damn.
     
  3. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Country:
    United States
    But the U.S. still won the Gold Cup, which is the point of the Gold Cup. They played like a team that knew that you can win the Gold Cup in 2013 while still shitting the bed (pardon the language) in 2011. And that's exactly what happened, they won the Gold Cup while dropping the hammer on Mexico.

    Funny how you won't apply your own arguments for the World Cup to the Gold Cup. Maybe because you're a troll?
     
  4. Werdman89

    Werdman89 Member+

    May 27, 2008
    Boston, MA
    Country:
    United States
    Not a troll. Just your average poster on BSMX.
     
  5. It's called FOOTBALL

    It's called FOOTBALL BigSoccer Yellow Card

    May 4, 2009
    It's not the same argument. We already discussed the 2013 GC, which gives a 1/2 a berth to the CC. Which is why it isn't a clincher to prove who is the best. The 2015 playoff for the CC berth will determine the best team at that point.

    And it was Panama that dropped the hammer, btw, but w/e.
     
  6. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Country:
    United States
    It's not the same argument. We already discussed the 2013 WCQ, which gives a 1/2 a berth to the WC.

    Again, why is the Gold Cup any different troll?
     
  7. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
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    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Why are we even talking about national teams?
     
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  8. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Trolling
     
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  9. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    Chicago Red Stars
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    United States
  10. It's called FOOTBALL

    It's called FOOTBALL BigSoccer Yellow Card

    May 4, 2009
    Because the GC 1/2 berth is still a 1/2 berth, whereas Mexico's 1/2 WC berth is now a full WC berth. This was already explained.

    If the 2013 GC yielded a full CC berth, then the winner of it would have proven to be the best team. But since it didn't, teams didn't take it as seriously as the 2011 edition.
     
  11. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Country:
    United States
    So because Mexico played a weak team from another confederation they retain the title as the top team in this confederation, despite the fact that in the same year they lost to a team in this confederation in the most recent confederation championship and were forced to play that weak team from another confederation due to finishing (way) behind that team that beat them in World Cup Qualifying.

    Uh huh, that's some logic you've got there troll.
     
  12. PTFC in KCMO

    PTFC in KCMO Member+

    Aug 12, 2012
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    I always thought Mexico was better because the USAs best players are having to tuck tail and take the walk of shame back to MLS to make a living, while the great and awesome Chicharito is sitting bench at ManU.;)
     
  13. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    You're boring.
     
  14. It's called FOOTBALL

    It's called FOOTBALL BigSoccer Yellow Card

    May 4, 2009
    They retain the title because neither the 2013 GC or WCQ so far has decided the undisputed best. Don't single out the NZ tie or Panama losses, they don't supercede the big picture.

    I haven't seen any pundit declare that there's a new king of CONCACAF. Mexico is still hanging on to the throne by its fingertips like this:

    [​IMG]
     
  15. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Country:
    Bolivia
    Cleanup please.
     
  16. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Country:
    United States
    Steve Davis, NBC Sports:
    http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/...ncacaf-qualifying-how-it-unfolded-on-twitter/
    Grant Wahl:
    http://soccer.si.com/2013/10/16/usa-panama-concacaf-world-cup-qualifying/

    This, from June, when the U.S. was already sitting on top, from NBC's Richard Farley:
    http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/...nt-usa-world-cup-qualifying-concacaf-seattle/

    You haven't seen any because you can't bring it upon yourself to look and face the truth.
     
  17. Chiquitibum

    Chiquitibum Member+

    Apr 4, 2004
    Norte
    Club:
    Pumas UNAM
    Country:
    Mexico
    why are you gusy talking about national teams

    this is a MLS thread and we all know MLS may be lesser to MFL, but MLS is going to prove they are better this year. right guys? who is with me???!??!?1
     
  18. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Country:
    United States
    The big picture is that if it weren't for the US, Mexico wouldn't be in the 2014 World Cup.
     
  19. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States
    Let's say CONCACAF got 2.5 spots and USA didn't exist. Here is how many points in the Hexagonal Mexico, Costa Rica, Jamaica, Panama, and Honduras got against each other:

    Costa Rica 15
    Honduras 12
    Mexico 10
    Panama 8
    Jamaica 5

    Mexico would have been in the interconfederational playoff that way also.
     
  20. It's called FOOTBALL

    It's called FOOTBALL BigSoccer Yellow Card

    May 4, 2009
    Actually, Mexico would have done better without the nads in the hex. So you're wrong.

    But they still clinched a WC spot, so they retain the title of CONCACAF king for now.
     
  21. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Country:
    United States
    Yep. Trolling.
     
  22. It's called FOOTBALL

    It's called FOOTBALL BigSoccer Yellow Card

    May 4, 2009
    Trolling is saying that a team that denied Mexico of 5 points is the reason why they clinched a WC spot. That's absolutely ridiculous
     
  23. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Country:
    United States
    Yep. You must be trolling.
     
  24. Brmw9

    Brmw9 Member+

    Dec 3, 2011
    Club:
    Club América
    Country:
    Mexico
    ...Grant Wahl is your example?
     
  25. It's called FOOTBALL

    It's called FOOTBALL BigSoccer Yellow Card

    May 4, 2009
    @JasonMa
    Not ironic at all, I didn't claim to see the future after Mexico lost. I know anything can happen.

    But the point stands that Mexico hasn't been knocked off its throne. I never said Mexico is the best team of the region, It's inconclusive as to who is. But since Mex won the last test that determined the undisputed best (2011 GC), it is still on the throne, although barely.
     

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