US N+A World Cup Discussion Part Deux

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by schrutebuck, Jun 21, 2014.

  1. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Much. The team faced a murderer's row of opposition to go with the crazy travel and climate.
     
  2. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    I used FIFA's numbers.
     
  3. UxSxAxfooty

    UxSxAxfooty Member+

    Jan 23, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This isn't a criticism of your excellent work, but opponent quality really makes any surface level comparisons between our stats and the rest of the teams in the tournament pretty tenuous.

    What would be especially interesting is to compare our Germany, Portugal, and Belgium games to the games of each of those three's opponents. In other words, control for the opponents in the comparison by looking at our deviation from, for example, the averages from the games of Ghana, Portugal, Algeria, France, Brazil, and Argentina against Germany.
     
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  4. Crimen y Castigo

    May 18, 2004
    OakTown
    Club:
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't necessarily agree with all of this -- but it's nicely put together:



    Also:
    Every Dive from WC 2014

    A 'smorgasbord of deceit' as "WhoAteAllthePies" called it.
     
  5. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    I think #15 for us is quite fair. If anything, I think Algeria is better than us right now. On neutral ground, they'd beat us 6 out of 10 times, so to speak.

    And Costa Rica is even better. Yes, we topped the Hex, but the Ticos played the best soccer in the area. They just didn't seem to care enough about getting as many points as possible.

    And, after all, winning the Hex doesn't get you anything.
     
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  6. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Member+

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    Eh, I like Algeria and CRC just fine, but I don't think you'd find many neutrals who think they are better than us. I think you're being a little too humble here about our quality.
     
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  7. y-lee-coyote

    y-lee-coyote Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
    Club:
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  8. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    For whatever is worth, I think the only teams not in the WC that deserved to be there among the Top 32 were Ukraine, Paraguay, Sweden and perhaps Senegal, and we're better than all of them.

    So we're the legitimate #15 in the planet. It's not small potatoes.
     
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  9. USOutlaw16

    USOutlaw16 Member+

    Green Bay Voyageurs
    United States
    Jan 22, 2011
    On the Gringo Wall of Shame
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  10. Jtsmith1

    Jtsmith1 Member

    Jul 2, 2012
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
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  11. Jtsmith1

    Jtsmith1 Member

    Jul 2, 2012
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  12. Dage

    Dage Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  13. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Were the FIFA ranking to be used for a Copa America, right now the pots would be:

    Pot A (seeds): Argentina, Colombia, Uruguay, Brazil
    Pot B (top C-CAF): USA, Costa Rica, Mexico, Panama
    Pot C (second tier C-BOL): Chile, Ecuador, Venezuela, Paraguay
    Pot D (weakest teams): Honduras, Peru, Bolivia, Jamaica

    Random Draw:

    Group A: Argentina, Mexico, Ecuador, Bolivia
    Group B: Colombia, Costa Rica, Venezuela, Honduras
    Group C: Uruguay, Panama, Chile, Jamaica
    Group D: Brazil, USA, Paraguay, Peru

    If played with A-teams, it's going to be a ton of fun.
     
  14. USOutlaw16

    USOutlaw16 Member+

    Green Bay Voyageurs
    United States
    Jan 22, 2011
    On the Gringo Wall of Shame
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    FWIW, the story about Ozil donating money to Gaza has been reported as false, same with the Algerian team doing so as well.
     
  15. USOutlaw16

    USOutlaw16 Member+

    Green Bay Voyageurs
    United States
    Jan 22, 2011
    On the Gringo Wall of Shame
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Brazil would be tough as always, but a Paraguay team that's fallen on hard times and a Peru team that, while having talent, is still beatable sounds like a potentially OK group for the US
     
  16. Bolivianfuego

    Bolivianfuego Your favorite Bolivian

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Va
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    DON'T Sleep on Paraguay. They always have talent waiting to explode. Their two recent games have them 1 win and 1 tie. The win was in Austria vs. Cameroon (palyed in the WC), and tied France in France. ALways talented....
     
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  17. Albirrojo

    Albirrojo Member

    Aug 27, 2004
    Agreed, off the top of my head, Paraguay was at WC 1998, 2002, 2006 and 2010. You can't take that lightly and that's surely just scratching the surface.
     
  18. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    In the friendly they played in Germany last year, they tied the now Champions 3-3, in a match with A-teamers, played at neck break speed.



    They're still just recovering, but they can be formidable when sticking to their tried-and-true bunker + counter.
     
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  19. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    The US and Costa Rica have been "even" for quite some time. For some reason this is news to people. Our all-time record against Costa Rica is 13-13-6. (W-L-D)

    Since 2000, we're 6-6-3 against them.

    Just as a comparison, against Honduras we're 14-4-3 all-time. Against Jamaica we're 13-1-8. Against Panama we're 10-1-2.

    The truth is that since 2000 we have a significantly better "winning percentage" against Mexico than against Costa Rica. Against Mexico since 2000 we're 12-5-5.
     
  20. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    I think despite the record there's not a lot of difference either way. We generally win against Costa Rica and Mexico at home, and we generally lose against them away (although we did lose to both Costa Rica and Mexico at home around our lowest point in 2011). I would wager that the difference in record mostly reflects a difference in how many home games we've played against each team.
     
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  21. USOutlaw16

    USOutlaw16 Member+

    Green Bay Voyageurs
    United States
    Jan 22, 2011
    On the Gringo Wall of Shame
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    Rumor's are that he's baaaaaaack
     
  22. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Exactly what they need. A former DM, who always focuses most in shoring up the defense. As it should be. First priority, always.
     
  23. Bolivianfuego

    Bolivianfuego Your favorite Bolivian

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Va
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Oh god...not Dunga again.


    I thought he was going to get teh Venezuela job but an internal champion coach got it.
     
  24. USOutlaw16

    USOutlaw16 Member+

    Green Bay Voyageurs
    United States
    Jan 22, 2011
    On the Gringo Wall of Shame
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Some Brazilian fans I know didn't like the defensive style of play Dunga employed. Well, they just lost 7-1 to Germany at home. I think a defensive style may be what they need.
     
  25. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Member+

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    I said it earlier in this thread, but Dunga got a lot of misdirected hate during his time in charge imo.

    This would be a good move, but the public would hate it.
     

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