US Goalkeeper discussion thread - Part III

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by ussoccer97531, Nov 15, 2017.

  1. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
  2. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    It wasnt nearly as bad as the liverpool goalkeeper last year but the effects could be comparable.

    It is why I harp on mistakes, especially basic ones. Howard should have never given up that rebound and very unlucky to have it happen in that game at that point.
     
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  3. soccersubjectively

    soccersubjectively BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 17, 2012
    Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Steffen will almost certainly go on loan somewhere. He is awkwardly sandwiched in age between Ederson (25, Brazilian) and Arijanet Murić (20, Kosovan), the latter they've been grooming for four years now and is very good. They also picked up Gavin Bazunu (17, Irish) last February and of course have another 4-6 English goalkeepers in their system. Man City - like most top teams - have the resources to roll the dice on a slew of players then turn around and sell them for whatever they want because they have close to infinite money.

    All that said, even if Steffen doesn't play a minute with Man City's senior team (a strong possibility), it will almost certainly be a good move for his career. Being a Man City "wash out" is still really good for a player's rep. I could easily see him landing in France or Italy long term with a Europa League club, somewhat similar to Horvath's situation. Playing time is not the goal, development is. And any club that is trying to win silverware is going to do everything they can to develop their assets. So even if he's only with Man City for a couple of years and is sold/cut, it'll be time well spent.
     
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  4. bostonsoccermdl

    bostonsoccermdl Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 3, 2002
    Denver, CO
    I agree with the post above regarding playing time versus development. I mentioned it before, but goalkeepers face less of a “ race against time “ than field players do. GK’s peak much later and can play much later age wise at the highest level.

    There is less of a rush to make it big even though a lot of fans fall into this line of thinking.
     
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  5. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    For the closest watchers of the game, are there any notable keepers (whether American or foreign) who peaked early like in their early 20's (and quite Hyped) only to regress far sooner than expected or simply never reached all the early Hype?
     
  6. bostonsoccermdl

    bostonsoccermdl Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 3, 2002
    Denver, CO
    As I was typing my earlier response, I did think of that. The one that came to mind was Manuel Neuer. I dont follow him closely, but in his early 20's he was perhaps the best in the world, now, I believe he isnt as good.
     
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  7. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    Iker Casillas was starting for Real Madrid in his teens and was peaking early.
     
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  8. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can't believe no one has mentioned Josh Lambo!
     
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  9. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    SJ Earthquakes/Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Pleasanton, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's made - by FAR - the most money out of everyone else on that team. Just got picked up by the Jags for like 15 million dollars.
     
  10. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know such an odd journey but one that's worked out for him. I remember Meola trying to play for the Jets but maybe he was too old by then.
     
  11. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Is Horvath really injured and out for the Gold Cup? :(
     
  12. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    I guess Johnson would get the 3rd group stage match to rest Steffen. Miller is just there to make up the numbers.
     
  13. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Actually Miller is playing better than Johnson and Steffen now. Steffen isn't playing well at all.
    I don't remember him ever allowing the goals like the second one today.
     
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  14. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I personally think Jesse Gonzalez is playing better than all of them...…………...but maybe that's just me.
     
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  15. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    At least he is the most talented.
     
  16. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Interesting that some think that. I need to catch some of his highlights.
     
  17. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    ... and lowlights.
     
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  18. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Getting beat by a great shot from distance that he got a late jump on due to being screened is not playing well, but giving up a goal off a rebound that hit Miller in the chest is playing better?
     
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  19. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Agreed. I'm sure Steffen would have liked a second chance to save that long-distance shot, but I was expecting to see some terrible gaffe of the sort we've seen recently from other keepers.
     
  20. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Did you watch Miller's goals?
     
  21. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    No. Please specify which ones so we all may enjoy.
     
  22. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    His positionin wasnt great on the second but I was referring to the first. He wasnt very convincing on the initial save and rebound couldn't have gone to a more dangerous spot. can be seen with multiple replays at 1:37 of this video.

     
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  23. Dr.Phil

    Dr.Phil Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
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  24. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    Should Steffen's #1 spot be in danger? If possession and playing out of the back are Berhalter's goals for the Gold Cup, then Sean Johnson may be a better short-term solution even if Steffen is a better shot stopper. Long-term, Ethan Horvath is still a contender once he recovers from his finger injury.
     
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