Union Youth Development Thread [R]

Discussion in 'Philadelphia Union' started by derek750, Jul 23, 2010.

  1. mattylip

    mattylip Member+

    Philadelphia Union
    Jul 22, 2011
    Cherry Hill (127, D)
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You still need to put a competitive team on the field this season. With Ilsinho (and Alberg), Earnie is banking on the tried and true theory that foreign players need a year to acclimate to MLS and will fare much better in their second seasons. Ilsinho has a much higher upside for 2017 than Ayuk does.
     
  2. Tyr

    Tyr Member+

    Nov 7, 2009
    Lawrenceville
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The same could be said about any young player. Are we going to look to get rid of Yaro, Rosenberry, Herbers, Jones, and Trusty for the same reason? Players tend to not peak at 19 more often not.

    I'm far from convinced that Ilsinho is even the best option at the position. He was really bad last year. All his fancy dribbling lead to losing the ball, laying off a poor pass, or dribbling into an isolated space. People focus too much on the dribbling while ignoring the rest of the holes in his game. He's pretty much the new Michael Farfan, and Herbers was far more effective in the role.

    Ayuk has the higher upside than Ilsinho beyond 17 which is what this team should really focus on. Ilsinho can barely get fit at 31. It's probably not going to get better moving forward.
     
  3. mattylip

    mattylip Member+

    Philadelphia Union
    Jul 22, 2011
    Cherry Hill (127, D)
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    Philadelphia Union
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    United States
    Earnie would get rid of any of those guys in a heartbeat for the right price. Was it Earnie or Jim who made the comment the other day that it was good to bring in Jones because you don't know how long Keegan will be here? That indicated to me that they would sell him given the chance.
     
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  4. Dills

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    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jun 6, 2006
    Southampton|PA
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    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Apples and oranges.

    Herbers and Yaro take up international slots, but their GA status makes them cost nothing against the Union's budget.
    Rosenberry, Jones, and Trusty have been brought up and developed through the Union's system. As HG players, two of them are also exempt from the budget. Ayuk and Keegan (in 2016) had the same base salary, while Ayuk had a higher base salary than Jones and Trusty.
     
  5. Tyr

    Tyr Member+

    Nov 7, 2009
    Lawrenceville
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The point still stands that we shouldn't expect Ayuk to stagnate while expecting the others to grow.
     
  6. ScottyMac26

    ScottyMac26 Member+

    Jan 13, 2012
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    Amen. A few years ago we heard how Pfeffer was always going to improve....
     
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  7. Dills

    Dills Moderator
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    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jun 6, 2006
    Southampton|PA
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    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He won't stagnate in Denmark.
     
  8. drewuke

    drewuke Member+

    Jul 19, 2012
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    Philadelphia Union
    That's kind of how I feel about the whole right wing.
     
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  9. Starpork

    Starpork Member+

    Nov 12, 2013
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    Has it been confirmed whether it's a loan or a transfer? I'm all for loaning him out and trying to increase his experience or transfer value. I'm also all for selling him for the right price. Whatevs.
     
  10. thomas19064

    thomas19064 Member+

    Apr 29, 2008
    Delco
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    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  11. Dills

    Dills Moderator
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    Philadelphia Union
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    Jun 6, 2006
    Southampton|PA
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  12. thomas19064

    thomas19064 Member+

    Apr 29, 2008
    Delco
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  13. SOwannaB

    SOwannaB Member

    Jun 29, 2010
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    Philadelphia Union
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    United States
    Agreed it's fair when you take into consideration the production (or lack thereof) of the homegrowns. I can easily see us moving into the top 5 because the structure is top-notch, it just hasn't produced any impact on the First Team yet.
     
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  14. drewuke

    drewuke Member+

    Jul 19, 2012
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    Except Keegs, if you count him.
     
  15. Dills

    Dills Moderator
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    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jun 6, 2006
    Southampton|PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    <insert "but he's not a Homegrown player" snarky semantic comment here>
     
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  16. ScottyMac26

    ScottyMac26 Member+

    Jan 13, 2012
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    I think the lack of production is an indictment on one man, COACH SEAN DOYLE!!!

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  17. LuckyStriker

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    Favorite club? a German one..........
    Apr 14, 2010
    in exile-Statute of Limitations yet to expire
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    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
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  18. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
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    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  19. CyphaPSU

    CyphaPSU Member+

    Mar 16, 2003
    Not Far
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't know the circumstances behind this kid's move out of the Union academy system, but it's more disheartening to learn that he initially left the Union academy to go play for PDA instead.
     
  20. Dills

    Dills Moderator
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    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jun 6, 2006
    Southampton|PA
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    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  21. LuckyStriker

    LuckyStriker Member+

    Favorite club? a German one..........
    Apr 14, 2010
    in exile-Statute of Limitations yet to expire
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is Sebastian "el knee" still considered a potential Philly HG?
     
  22. Tyr

    Tyr Member+

    Nov 7, 2009
    Lawrenceville
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He hasn't done too much in college to really consider at the moment. He had 3 goals and 4 assists in 20 games last year.
     
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  23. CITY&UNION

    CITY&UNION Member

    Oct 23, 2011
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Speaking of which...anyone know what's happened to Sean Wilson? He and Elney were our top two prospects in that class and in high school were seemingly on every YNT roster. The best I could find is that he played in just two games his freshman year, and is still listed on their roster for this past year but isn't listed in their statistics page at all
     
  24. ratmalph

    ratmalph Member

    Oct 26, 2016
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    He may have been taking a redshirt year like Will Campbell did his first year. Or he's just not getting playing time, in which case he should transfer.
     
  25. Tyr

    Tyr Member+

    Nov 7, 2009
    Lawrenceville
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It doesn't look too promising for Sean Wilson. He is someone who would have benefited from Bethlehem Steel.
     

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