UEFA draw today

Discussion in 'Champions League' started by kaburu, Aug 25, 2011.

  1. kaburu

    kaburu Member+

    Jul 12, 2009
    los angeles
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pot A: Barcelona, Manchester United, Chelsea, Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, Porto, Internazionale, Arsenal
    Pot B: Shakhtar Donetsk, Villarreal, Valencia, CSKA Moscow, Marseille, Milan, Lyon, Benfica
    Pot C: Olympiacos, BATE Borisov, Manchester City, Lille, Zenit St Petersburg, Ajax, Bayer Leverkusen, Basel
    Pot D: Borussia Dortmund, Trabzonspor, Genk, Napoli, Dinamo Zagreb, APOEL, Otelul Galati, Viktoria Plizen
     
  2. palynka

    palynka Member

    Jun 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Group of death:
    Real Madrid
    Milan
    Man City
    Dortmund
     
  3. drumline123

    drumline123 Member

    Aug 13, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    some of these groups are crazy competitive.

    Group A:
    Bayern
    Villarreal
    Man city
    Napoli

    group d:
    Real madrid
    Lyon
    Ajax
    Dinamo Zagreb

    group E:
    Chelsea
    Valencia
    Leverkusen
    Genk
    those are my top 3 so far
     
  4. ChaChaFut

    ChaChaFut Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Group A
    Bayern Munich
    Villareal
    Man. City
    Napoli

    Group B
    Inter
    CSKA Moscow
    Lille
    Trabzonspor

    Group C
    Man United
    Benfica
    Basel
    Otelul Galati

    Group D
    Real Madrid
    Oly. Lyon
    Ajax
    Dinamo Zagreb

    Group E
    Chelsea
    Valencia
    Bayer Leverkusen
    Genk

    Group F
    Arsenal
    Oly. Marseille
    Olympiacos
    Borussia Dortmund

    Group G
    Porto
    Shaktar Donetsk
    Zenit St. Petersburg
    Apoel Nicosia

    Group H
    Barcelona
    AC Milan
    BATE Borisov
    Viktoria Plzen



    Yes, A, D, and E look very though.
     
  5. phat

    phat Viking

    Feb 13, 2006
    Montreal
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    FFS how many times are Real and Lyon going to play each other. Tell me its not fixed. The expression on the Lyon guy in the audience saying "Oh putain" says it all...

    Barca vs Milan.... nice. Fixed. They went straight into the group. EUFA trying to ******** the Italian teams again with their stupid coefficient, the Russians must be outbidding them hard.

    SSC Napoli to be picked and sent to group of death. FIXED.

    United and Inter getting a free pass.
     
  6. THOMA GOL

    THOMA GOL BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 16, 1999
    Frontier
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    United vs. Benfica again :rolleyes:
     
  7. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Groups "D" and "E" are crazy competitive? :confused: Looks like a breeze for Madrid and Chelsea. I would say Group "F" is competitive.
     
  8. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Four years since they last played...
     
  9. drumline123

    drumline123 Member

    Aug 13, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    ajax and lyon know real madrid because they some how always play each other. it took RM a few seasons to finally beat lyon and ajax are better then they were last year thanks to johan cruyff coming pack.

    for chelsea, valencia and bayern can cause problems

    group F you still expect Barca and milan to get through
     
  10. Cirdan

    Cirdan Member

    Sep 12, 2007
    Jena (Germany)
    Unlikely, since they aren't even in group F ;)

    I also find group F pretty competetive - a relatively weak pot 1 team (Arsenal) and possibly the strongest pot 4 (Dortmund), plus good teams from the other 2 pots. Any constellation is possible here.

    But group A is pretty much the closest thing to a real group of death that is imaginable with seeding.
     
  11. Chacal

    Chacal Member

    Oct 11, 2010
    California
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I bolded the teams that I think will go through...what about you guys?
     
  12. WhitesBhoy

    WhitesBhoy New Member

    Dec 18, 2009
    Miami/Ft. Lauderdale
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agree. Group A is most competitive because all are relatively strong. Group F is competitive because Arsenal and Marseille are so erratic.
     
  13. evangel

    evangel Member+

    Apr 12, 2007
    No other group comes close. Group A is hardest group of death we have seen in years.
     
  14. TheGrimSweeper

    Jul 16, 2006
    Toronto,Canada
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    It's getting harder and harder to believe this draw isn't rigged.
     
  15. phat

    phat Viking

    Feb 13, 2006
    Montreal
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Really? :rolleyes: It's a joke.
     
  16. canzano55

    canzano55 Member+

    Jun 23, 2003
    Toronto
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Its a ********ing insult that Arsenal is still a top seed these days when they've never won d1ck.
     
  17. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Well except for the fact that they have the fifth best record in the CL over the last four seasons.

    Note to Italian posters: not everything is as rigged as Italian football.
     
  18. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    No matter how the draw comes out someone is bound to say it's rigged.
    Think about what you believe would've been the 'perfect draw', then think about the odds of that perfect draw becoming reality. If it were to happen, only then could we say it was fixed. ;)
    If people know the provisions of how the draw is conducted they can easily follow along as it's being made and understand why, for example, Man City went directly into Group A when they were plucked out of the bowl.
     
  19. phat

    phat Viking

    Feb 13, 2006
    Montreal
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Its a fix. More money that way.
     
  20. palynka

    palynka Member

    Jun 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    How is it more money that way? I don't see the financial advantage of always pairing Madrid with Lyon.
     
  21. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Okay, you have the floor. List what you feel would have looked like a draw that wasn't fixed.

    Keep in mind two provisions as you list your perfect groups:
    • No teams from the same country can be in the same group (this part is easy)
    • Each matchday sees Groups A through D play on one day (for example, Tuesday) while groups E through H play the other day (Wednesday).
    Thus, leagues that have two or more clubs involved have paired up two teams to avoid them playing on the same day so as to maximize domestic television coverage: If one goes into Group A-D then the other must go into Group E-H.
    So you'll need to make sure these pairings are kept separate (one in Groups A-D, the other in Groups E-H) as you make your list...
    England: Manchester United and Chelsea
    England: Arsenal and Manchester City
    Spain : Barcelona and Real Madrid
    Spain: Villarreal and Valencia
    Italy: Inter Milan and AC Milan
    Germany: Bayern Munich and Borussia Dorrtmund
    Portugal: Porto and Benfica
    France: Olympique Lyon and Olympique Marseille
    Russia: Zenit St. Petersburg and CSKA Moscow

    Now show everyone how you would have fixed the groups... oops, wrong choice of words there.
    Show everyone how you would have been pleased with the draw.
     
  22. phat

    phat Viking

    Feb 13, 2006
    Montreal
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    WTF are you talking about. Who cares how I would be pleased to have the draw?

    My opinion is based on how conveniently some teams have been paired by this "draw".
     
  23. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    The point is, that its almost impossible to have the draw go in such a way that there aren't some intriguing/money-making matchups. If Milan didn't get Barca, they would've got Real Madrid again (ZOMG, can you imagine?? Dude!!) Or Man United. Then you and your conspiracy theorists would be saying "ZOMFG! Man Utd - Milan. Rematch of 2007 semifinal! Teh draw is so totally FIXED!!!11!!" :rolleyes:

    This is a perfect illustration why people make fun of conspiracy theorists. BTW, do we have any 'flat-Earthers' here with us today?
     
  24. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    And so I'm asking you to show everyone how the draw should have resulted without someone pointing to a particular pairing and saying "a-ha!".
    Prove that the draw can result without any "convenient pairings".
    It's impossible.
     

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