PBP: UCL - Valencia CF vs Manchester United FC - Dec 12, 2018 [R]

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  1. Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10

    Staff Member

    Jamaica
    Jun 4, 2006
    Antilla
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Jamaica
    [​IMG] vs [​IMG]

    Competition: UEFA Champions League
    Venue: La Mestalla
    Time: 20:00 (BST), 15:00 (EST)
    Channels: BT Sport 3(UK), MUTV(UK), Univisión Deportes en vivo(US), TNT(US), DAZN(Canada), SuperSport 5 Africa(Zambia)

    Valencia injuries: Santiago Mina (knee)
    Manchester United injuries: Lindelöf (muscle), Shaw (knock), Sánchez (hamstring), Martial (muscle)

    Valencia last 6: W-W-L-L-W-D
    Manchester United last 6: L-D-W-D-D-W

    Valencia
    last result: 1-1 home draw with Sevilla
    Manchester United last result: 4-1 home win over Fulham

    Valencia league standing: 15th
    Manchester United league standing: 6th

    Last Encounter:
    0-0 home draw at Old Trafford (Oct 2018)

    Valencia last starting XI (4-4-2):
    Neto, Wass, Garay, Gabriel Paulista, Gayà, Soler, Parejo(c), Coquelin, Guedes, Mina, Rodrigo

    Manchester United last starting XI (4-3-3):
    de Gea, Dalot, Smalling, Jones, Young(c), Matić, Mata, Herrera, Rashford, Lingard, Lukaku

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    can't be any worse than the reverse fixture right?

    the merciful Mourinho has granted Pogba a start here. who else shall be lucky enough to receive his generosity?
     
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  2. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
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    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pogba really should have played yesterday and be rested for this game, but as it stands he needs this game and a good performance to boot ahead of Pool this weekend, where hopefully he keeps his starting spot.
    As things stand though, I hope this will be the opportunity to see a midfield 3 I imagine most have wanted to see: Pogs, Fred and AP. We're already qualified, so there will be no reason for Mourinho to be all defensive and tactical. Let the team play for once and with those spearheading our attack.
    Elsewhere in terms of team selection, it's all about keeping some key players fresh, so they can 100% fit and good to go for Anfield. But ironically, I believe that even with a 'weakened ' team, we could put in a solid performance and get a positive result, which would be the perfect boost ahead of the weekend.
     
  3. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

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  4. Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10

    Staff Member

    Jamaica
    Jun 4, 2006
    Antilla
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Jamaica
  5. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    Sanchez Mata
    Pogba Lingard
    AP Fred
    Darmian Rojo Jones Valencia
    Romero

    This is what I expect from Mou.

    I would do something slightly different to rotate the squad.
    Lukaku Sanchez
    Pogba AP Fred
    Darmian Rojo Jones Bailly Valencia (C)
    Romero

    Rome just scored and is hungry for more, most likely. Sanchez is frozen out and might enjoy a chance to show what he can do and be in the shop window
    AP deserves some time and Fred needs more playing time too.
    Darmian Rojo and Bailly are in the shop window if we are being honest. Valencia is the club captain so he should get games.
     
  6. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

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    Sanchez is out with a hamstring injury for the rest of 2018 at least.
     
  7. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
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    Ghana
    Didn't know. I actually hadn't paid much attention to us since the CP draw. I was so disgusted with us.
     
  8. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

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    United States
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    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What I would love to see tonight, but Mourinho somehow appears to have thrown cold water on the idea, is see Greenwood get a nice 25-30min cameo in the 2nd half.
    This game hardly means anything and therefore it's a great opportunity to give him a taste of first team CL football. He's been on fire this year with the youth teams (U18s in particular) and I'd be curious to see how he does in a different environment.
    He's travelled with the team, so why not use him and it would give Mourinho the chance to bench someone else early with the Pool game in mind.
     
  9. Sofabloke

    Sofabloke Member+

    Dec 24, 2003
    Mu
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Leaked team;

    Romero, Valencia, Bailly, Jones, Rojo, Pereira, Pogba, Fellaini, Mata, Fred, Lukaku
     
  10. MizzouMUFC

    MizzouMUFC Member+

    Apr 10, 2010
    Places
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    Manchester United FC
    What the hell would that formation look like?
     
  11. United 16

    United 16 Member+

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  12. United 16

    United 16 Member+

    Manchester United
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    who is garner?
     
  13. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

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    United States
  14. Gilma1990

    Gilma1990 Member+

    Jul 30, 2015
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  15. MizzouMUFC

    MizzouMUFC Member+

    Apr 10, 2010
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    Manchester United FC
    Oh good. 5 CMs and Rojo at LB.

    It'll be fun to see who Jose blames for this disaster.
     
  16. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    Andreas on the left, Mata on the right, Rojo at LB [emoji25][emoji24][emoji24][emoji24][emoji2962]
     
  17. J'can

    J'can Member+

    Jul 3, 2007
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    Clearly meant to cover for pogbas lack of effort

    Jose is sabotaging the player and the team. This is ridiculous
     
  18. Rooney20

    Rooney20 Member+

    Jan 8, 2007
    New York
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    At least Matic is nowhere to be seen.
     
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  19. Ashur

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    #19 Ashur, Dec 12, 2018
    Last edited: Dec 12, 2018
    It's got naught to do with "covering for Pogba's lack of effort" or sabotaging him (not today at least). We're probably going to play 4-3-3, with Fred in the holding role, which incidentally should work better for Pogs to have a more mobile and energetic player like him by his side.
    Mata plays wide right, which is not the best use of him, but nothing out of the ordinary either and AP, in all likelihood, will play on the left, because he's looking to save Lingard (and Rashford) for this weekend, which makes sense. Plus, AP is just one of the most versatile players we have and he's played wide for Valencia a ton last season.
    This is clearly a weakened team, which with a huge game coming up vs Pool, plus the fact we are already qualified, justifies most of Mourinho's choices. The question now is whether the players will be allowed to actually play, which is a different issue. But the players selection is fine, under the circumstances.

    Valencia XI: Domenech, Piccini, Vezo, Diakhaby, Lato, Kondogbia, Parejo, Soler, Cheryshev, Mina, Batshuayi

    That Valencia team does not overly intimidate me and if our XI were allowed, for once, to play, I think they could get the better of them.
     
  20. J'can

    J'can Member+

    Jul 3, 2007
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    First part of the post was sarcasm.

    Second part though is true. No reason for PP to be playing here and not in the prior games except as part of JM power play. He is ruining the player setting him up fail
     
  21. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

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    United States
    He's not being setting up to fail, he's just making odd choices in terms of when to play him, we've touched on this over the weekend. He should have played vs Fulham, been rested today and back in the starting lineup vs Pool.
    As it stands, we genuinely don't know yet if Mourinho will play him this weekend. A good performance today would go a long in insuring it will happen. And as stated, not having Matic next to him, does increase the chances Pogba will have a good game. Playing in a 3 in midfield with Fred and Fellaini is not being setup to fail.
     
  22. thenamestsam

    thenamestsam Member+

    Aug 8, 2013
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    It emphasizes how unbalanced our squad is and how little style of play we have that when we rotate the team we end up with a completely unidentifiable side. If the squad is well managed you should be able to rotate and the level will drop of course, but you should still see the same ideas in terms of how the team plays. When we rotate we end up with a team that is clearly just a mashup of the guys who need minutes and are not set to get them against Pool. There is no sense in which the side selected forms any coherent plan or has any relation to the way the first team wants to play.
     
  23. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
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    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just hoping his pride prompts Pogba to be at his best today, just taking over and running things, as he's capable of doing.
    Remove any choice from Mourinho's hands for this weekend.
     
  24. MizzouMUFC

    MizzouMUFC Member+

    Apr 10, 2010
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    The Rojo and Jones side of the back four should be good for a laugh today. One is a fake hard man, the others an accidental hard man.
     
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  25. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
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    May 31, 2015
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    United States
    The cry from Lato is justified when looking at the replay. Was very "clumsy" from Valencia to put it kindly.
     

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