Two future proposals for the Champions League

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  1. shizzle787

    shizzle787 Member

    Apr 27, 2015
    Connecticut
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    Juventus FC
    Country:
    United States
    #1 shizzle787, Nov 5, 2017
    Last edited: Nov 5, 2017
    Proposal #1a: 40-team Champions League

    This would require the major domestic leagues to shrink to 16-team 30-match formats.

    4 groups of 10 (18 matches)

    Top 4 out of each group qualify for Round of 16
    (1a vs. 4b/3c vs. 2d) vs. (1b vs. 4a/3d vs. 2a) vs. (1c vs. 4d/3a vs. 4b) vs. (1d vs. 4c/3b vs. 4a)

    Access list:
    CL title holder
    EL title holder
    Champions (1-13)
    Runners up (1-9)
    3rd (1-7)
    4th (1-5)

    Only champions qualifying path consisting of champions of leagues 14-55 (excluding Liechtenstein) fighting for 4 spots.

    Proposal #1b: 40-team Champions League

    Access list is different than 1a:
    Access list:
    CL title holder
    EL title holder
    Champions (1-11)
    Runners up (1-8)
    3rd (1-6)
    4th (1-5)
    5th (1-4)

    Only champions qualifying path consisting of champions of leagues 12-55 (excluding Liechtenstein fighting for 4 spots.

    In both a and b proposals if CL/EL winner qualifies for group stage through league position, next highest ranked league winner qualifies for group stage. If both EL/CL winners qualify, next two highest league winners qualify.

    Proposal #2a: 48-team Champions League

    I would suggest major leagues shrink to 18-club 34-match formats (well, I would anyway as of now) and Europa League would now only contain 2 clubs per country instead of 3.

    8 groups of 6 (10 matches)

    Top two from each group advance to Round of 16 where tournament continues as it does now

    Access list:
    CL title holder
    EL title holder
    Champions (1-20)
    Runners up (1-10)
    3rd (1-7)
    4th (1-5)

    Only champions qualifying path consisting of champions of leagues 21-55 (excluding Liechtenstein) fighting for 4 spots.

    Proposal #2b:
    Access list:
    CL title holder
    EL title holder
    Champions (1-17)
    Runners up (1-9)
    3rd (1-7)
    4th (1-5)
    5th (1-4)

    Only champions qualifying path consisting of champions of leagues 18-55 (excluding Liechtenstein) fighting for 4 spots.

    Proposal #2c:
    Access list:
    CL title holder
    EL title holder
    Champions (1-14)
    Runners up (1-9)
    3rd (1-7)
    4th (1-5)
    5th (1-4)
    6th (1-3)

    Only champions qualifying path consisting of champions of leagues 15-55 (excluding Liechtenstein) fighting for 4 spots.

    In proposals a, b, and c; if EL/CL title holder qualifies via league position, the next highest ranked champion qualifies automatically; if both EL/CL title holder qualify, the next two highest ranked champions qualify.
     
  2. shizzle787

    shizzle787 Member

    Apr 27, 2015
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Country:
    United States
    My personal favorite is proposal 2c as it allows more countries into the competition but adds the 5th and 6th teams from the top 3/4 countries so that the quality isn't really diluted much as more wealthy people will invest more in medium size clubs in those countries to try to get that last spot.

    Who would possibly qualify in that scenario (using current standings):
    Note (half) 27 of the 48 clubs would be from the Big 5 leagues.
    Let's assume the CL and EL title holders both qualify via league position:
    Spain: Barcelona, Valencia, Atletico Madrid, Real Madrid, Sevilla, Villareal
    England: City, United, Tottenham, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal
    Italy: Napoli, Juventus, Inter, Lazio, Roma, Sampdoria
    Germany: Bayern, Leipzig, Dortmund, Schalke, Hoffenheim
    France: PSG, Monaco, Marseille, Nantes
    Russia: Lokomotiv Moscow, Zenit, Krasnodar
    Portugal: Porto, Sporting Lisbon, Benfica
    Ukraine: Shakhtar Donetsk, Dynamo Kiev
    Belgium: Club Brugge, Charleroi
    Turkey: Galatasary
    Austria: Sturm Graz
    Netherlands: PSV
    Czech Republic: Viktoria Plzen
    Greece: Atromitos (shocker)
    Switzerland: Young Boys
    Denmark: Brondby
    ------------------------Teams below this line went through qualifying
    Croatia: Dinamo Zagreb
    Romania: Steaua Bucuresti
    Sweden: Malmo
    Scotland: Celtic
     
  3. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States
    That's 48 games for a club's domestic league and Champions League Group Stage combined, which is 4 more than any club has now, and your Round of 16 proposal has the same amount of games as the current format. As I've said before, if the Champions League has too many clubs, the top clubs won't use their best players every game. The top clubs will have times when their domestic league game after that is harder than their midweek Champions League game. If you want the best players to play all their club's Champions League games, having 40 or 48 clubs in the Group Stage is not the way to go. Furthermore, why should what the top clubs want make clubs who aren't good enough to make the Champions League have four fewer domestic league home games per season (a decrease from 38 with 19 at home to 30 with 15 at home) to make money from or have a harder time staying in the top level because four fewer clubs can do that?
     
  4. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    So you'd have teams with losing records qualify for the EL? :confused:

    The CL needs to shrink , not expand.
     

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