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  1. superdave

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    #3227 dapip, May 26, 2017
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    Just saw that twit and is A++. Beat me to it rep.

    Good stuff she has:

     
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  3. superdave

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  5. Boloni86

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    The type of people that can move freely between Syria/Iraq and the West are the people with Western passports. I guarantee you the majority of those 3500 have UK passports. The way to combat that is not a blanket travel ban, but traditional law enforcement. Investigate, monitor, arrest and prosecute. The laws are already on the books. Use them.

    Also, originally when Trump pushed the travel ban, they claimed that this was only to do a 90 day review to improve the vetting process. It's already been 90+ days!!! Why haven't they fixed whatever vetting problems they thought they had? Ill answer ... at this point it's not about security. It's about scoring a win for Donald, and feeding the racist base with red meat.
     
  6. JamieBmore

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    Monitor 4000 people in just the UK. How many will the number be in the U.S.? You think its easy to monitor that many people? How much money do you think it will cost the government to monitor all of these people?
     
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    Excellent. A question where math gives us an easy answer.

    Let's assume that there are 5x as many suspected potential terrorists to monitor in the US as there are in the UK. The Brits are 65 million; we are 321 million, so it makes sense that we'd have 5x as many. That gives us 5x as many people to monitor, so that's 20,000 people.

    If we hired three FBI agents to monitor, round-the-clock, each of those 20,000 people, that'd be 60,000 agents, splitting up the day into 8-hr days. Let's be generous and give them $100,000 salaries a year, and another $25,000 in benefits. So we're at 60,000 agents with $125,000 apiece.

    60,000 * 125,000 = $7,500,000,000, or $7.5 billion a year.

    Hell, let's spend $1 billion more to train them.

    According to various projections, the cost of the wall itself would be as much as $67 billion.

    http://thehill.com/regulation/326202-top-dem-trumps-wall-would-cost-67b

    According to FOX News, Trump is paying $2 billion to build and staff 74 miles of wall.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...uded-in-trumps-budget-plan-mulvaney-says.html

    Over a 1,900 mile border, such a plan would cost - included maintenance and staffing - $51 billion per year.

    So we can clearly state that hiring 60,000 FBI agents and engaging in round-the-clock surveillance would cost between 1/6th and 1/9th as much as building a border wall.

    Your move, "guy who has me on ignore."
     
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    UK has a population of 80 million, and about 3 million are Muslim. 4000 extremists out of 3 million is .1%. Assuming similar rates of indoctrination, for a population of 3.3 million Muslims in US, you may have 5000 extremists.

    By comparison, the number of right wing militia groups is growing and, while the membership numbers are not exact, we could have tens of thousands, based on simple math (276 groups, at 40 members each).

    You are correct that it cost money to track thousands of extremists, but instead of funding a bloated military that destroys caves and tents with bombs worth millions of dollars (with a high failure rate), we could maybe keep our eyes on more people and/or help some poor people fleeing war?
     
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    It's been 16 years since 9/11, and we're still not understanding that the response to terrorism should always be traditional law enforcement methods. Get a warrant, arrest them and prove it in court.

    Our country keeps wanting to turn this into something different. We want to make it into a war. We want to occupy countries. We want to suspend constitutional rights. We want to ban religions. All moves that actually create more terrorists.

    The moment we decided to go to war, Osama Bin Laden won. The point of 9/11 wasn't to kill 3000 people and topple two buildings. The point was to create JamieBmores who will drive this country into the terrorist's trap. Their endgame is a war of civilizations, and our right wing rubes are more than willing to give them what they want.
     
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    Not to mention the money in security costs we could save if Trump would behave like a normal president and not flee every weekend to Mar a Lago or Bedminster or wherever the hell he goes. Congress has allocated $120 million per year in additional funding to cover the Trump family and their far flung travels. Get rid of this ridiculous $500 million waste of taxpayer money over four years and it would easily pay for half of the training costs for the new FBI agents.
     
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  12. Dolemite

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    to quote the late great George Carlin "We like war. We are a warlike people" Which is why we have the War on Drugs, the War on Poverty etc. it's all we understand
     
  13. cleansheetbsc

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    Too late. We will be stuck with significant costs for the long run now, even once he is not President.
     
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    So much easier being a storm trooper than a gumshoe.
     
  15. The Devil's Architect

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    The end stage boomers want something to erase the stigma of the "draw" with Vietnam
     
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    Something I heard from a lot of friends and their younger siblings after their 6th, 7th, 8th deployment...

    Signed up to fight the Empire - Found out 12 years later - I AM THE STORM TROOPER
     
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    I love Carlin, but here he only gets it half right. We're a warlike people only in the sense that we like war on the news, in movies and video games while we sit on the couch and stuff our faces with Doritos and Mountain Dew.

    It's really the most pathetic aspect of the American psyche. In reality we are a resilient country that can withstand anything short of global nuclear war. But in practice we live in a constant state of siege ... surrounded by enemies external and internal. It's as if this country was so fragile that the whole thing will come down if someone builds a mosque somewhere.

    The fact is that we are the safest and most affluent people in human history. The last time we had a real grinding war on our soil was 150 years ago. The reality of war is mostly forgotten in the collective national memory. Which is why people throw that term around so casually. We need a couple of MOABs dropped somewhere in the US to remind people what war is really like.
     
  18. The Devil's Architect

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    The bolded directly relates to Benghazi. People actually believed we could just surgically drone strike the "terrists" and could spawn up an airdrop of 50 seals for a rescue. That is the fault of CoD & PS4
     
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    And a lot of them didn't even sign up to fight the Empire. Sign up, spend a few years in some peacetime deployment in the motor pool or whatever, get out and get Uncle Sam to pay for college.
     
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    Put all of them in Guantanamo. A lot of liberals will support keeping that base open.
     
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    And damned sure let everyone know they're a vet and get that "Thank you for your service" from everyone and the freebees from grateful citizens, for you know, driving a bus around Altus AFB
     
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    From the article, since I know you didn't read past the headline:

    The figures also show that the amount of white people being arrested on suspicion of terrorism has gone up.

    Seventy (25 per cent) of the people arrested in 2015 were white, while 91 (35 per cent) of those held last year were white.
    How would the travel ban prevent these people from entering?
     
  23. superdave

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  25. superdave

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    Yall need to watch the imbedded video.

     

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