Toronto's name is...

Discussion in 'MLS: Rumors' started by Brian in Boston, Apr 3, 2006.

  1. KaptPowers

    KaptPowers Member

    Dec 29, 2003
    Arlington, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thank you for totally missing my point. Assuming that you're going to appeal to all Italians based on the fact that you've appropriated an Italian team name doesn't really work if some of them are fans of a team who are the rivals of the team whose name you've appropriated.

    If you like AC Milan, and you live in Toronto, are you going to support a team aping Inter Milan?
     
  2. DirtyJerzey

    DirtyJerzey Member

    May 30, 2005
    Harrison, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm sure a bunch of DC United Fans are Liverpool fans too and you don't see them going apesh!t about having United in the name ..
     
  3. KaptPowers

    KaptPowers Member

    Dec 29, 2003
    Arlington, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It would be different if Man United were the only big "United" team in the world. Being a Newcastle United guy and having friends who are West Ham United, I'd beg to differ. When you say "Inter" I think most people would agree its only Inter Milan who come to mind.
     
  4. Brian in Boston

    Brian in Boston Member+

    Jun 17, 2004
    MA & CA, USA
    The Star - "Peddie said he didn't know anything about what team names the MLS had sought to register in the U.S."

    This says one of four things:

    1) Major League Soccer is such a dysfunctional entity that the league would apply to the United States Patent and Trademark Office for protection of a new member-franchise's name, yet neglect to inform said expansion franchise of the identity registered.

    2) Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment is such a dysfunctional entity that the organization's president and CEO has made no effort to ascertain what name Major League Soccer has registered with the USPTO on behalf of MLSE's new professional soccer team.

    3) Richard Peddie is full of shite and lying through his teeth in an attempt to buy his organization enough time to come up with a new team identity that will be received more favorably by potential Toronto MLS fans than the leaked "Inter Toronto FC" that MLS and MLSE marketing hacks apparently thought was so great.

    4) Richard Peddie is full of shite and lying through his teeth in the hope that when his organization announces that the name of Toronto's MLS franchise is in fact "Inter Toronto FC", something (the team's logo... the team's uniforms... the fact that the team actually exists...) will overcome the objections of fans to the brand.

    He didn't know anything about what team names the MLS had sought to register in the U.S. :rolleyes: Give me a f***ing break!
     
  5. milicz

    milicz Member+

    Dec 2, 2001
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    I think the same argument applied to Man U. and DC United when that name was announced. When I hear United now, I think DC before I think Manchester. Same thing would happen with Inter Toronto after a short while.
     
  6. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There are a ton of teams named "United" in the soccer world. How many are named "Inter"? Only one that anyone has heard of. And Inter is a nickname anyway.

    "D.C. United" can also work as an American style name. Lots of teams have "concept" nicknames. "Inter Toronto" doesn't.
     
  7. Veruca

    Veruca Member

    Jul 13, 2005
    Aurora, CO
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think that this is different. I would consider myself a casual fan of soccer, especially European soccer. But I could name several teams with United names, even though ManU is obviously the largest.

    Additionally, United makes sense (Uniting the DC region). Inter Toronto does not. It's incorrect grammatically and Inter is only being used to reference Inter Milan.

    As a name, International would only be necessary if there was a Domestic Toronto that they were competing with, but there isn't.

    If Inter is your name, then I will just have to take solace in the fact that we don't have the 3rd worst name in MLS anymore (ahead of RSL & Chivas).
     
  8. milicz

    milicz Member+

    Dec 2, 2001
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    I disagree. Inter is not only used by Milan, just as United is not just used by Man U. While you can think of many Uniteds I can think of maybe a couple. As I stated before, in Bratislava Inter does not mean Milan, just as it will not mean Milan when Inter stands in front of Toronto.

    I think Dynamo is more out of place then Inter, it certainly makes me think of Dynamo Kiev, but I still like it.

    I fail to see how Inter Toronto is grammatically incorrect considering the official name out of NY is Red Bull New York which we call New York Red Bulls.
     
  9. Toronto Red

    Toronto Red Member

    Jan 8, 2006
    Toronto
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    Sheesh, if we are going to name the team after an Italian team, make it a big team will ya?

    Toronto Juventus!!
     
  10. Good point about Inter Bratislava. I think they are basically the ethnic Hungarian team with Slovan being the traditional club of the Slovak majority now usurped a bit by Artmedia Petrzalka. There are a few more like Inter Zaprešic in Croatia, Inter Escaldes (needed Google for this one :) ) in Andorra, Inter Cardiff in Wales (now have a sponsors name I think?) and Inter-Gremio is the big derby game in Porto Alegre in Brazil. I could live with Inter particularly if they ditched the FC but would prefer a Canadian themed name.
     
  11. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dynamo is a perfectly good word in English, and can be applied to athletes. Granted, the process of getting there was a bit of a mess, but I think it's a fine name.

    According to the club, "New York Red Bulls" is the name of the team, while "Red Bull New York" is the club/corporate name. The former is perfectly fine.
     
  12. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    No, when applied to Toronto the psudo-word "Inter" means absolutly nothing but Milan, because there is no other reason to chose that as the name for the team besides the fact that it is a nickname for a famous Italian club. It has no similarity to "United" for DC because DC happens to be the capital of a nation called The United States of America.
     
  13. PVancouver

    PVancouver Member

    Apr 1, 1999
    I would choose Toronto Terriers. The town was founded by English and Scots, its first mayor was a Scotsman, the town was originally called York and there are well known Scottish and Yorkshire breeds of terriers, the name York and other English names are everywhere in Toronto. For Toronto to take an Italian-related name is as silly as Salt Lake adopting a Spanish-related one. And could anything be more boring than FC Dallas?

    The breed can be translated into many languages. I don't believe it needs any translation into French or Spanish. See etymology.

    Alas, Toronto itself isn't responsible for any of these breeds, but you can't have everything.
     
  14. BulaJacket

    BulaJacket Member

    Columbus Crew (hometown), Minnesota United (close ties), Colorado Rapids (now home), Jacksonville Armada (ties)
    United States
    May 9, 2003
    Ashtabula, OH / Denver, CO / MN / Jax
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bravo.

    Even as one who prefers American sports names here in the US (and I'm talking about Wiz, Clash, Burn....all you idiots that always bring up those examples, which almost all people who prefer American style names also believe are just as much crap as RSL, CUSA, etc), I completely agree that this fits considerably more than the completely poser Real SL. I also agree this is similar to DC United.

    Though to be fair/honest, I prefer International Toronto or Toronto Internationals formally, which can still be shortened to Inter Toronto (and thereby eliminating much of the name opposition :) ).

    And whoever said "City" isn't "posing," while "Inter" is: you, sir, are on crack.
     
  15. BulaJacket

    BulaJacket Member

    Columbus Crew (hometown), Minnesota United (close ties), Colorado Rapids (now home), Jacksonville Armada (ties)
    United States
    May 9, 2003
    Ashtabula, OH / Denver, CO / MN / Jax
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bravo again....

    Completely agree...
    and to top it off...Dynamo is an energy industry term....which has just a littlen bit to do with Houston.
     
  16. gaijin

    gaijin New Member

    Aug 1, 2004
    Malaysia
    Club is a fully fledged french word - in the dictionary and everything. Its the same way we use it. 'Club de nuit' is night club for instance. Just lent from the English language. Racing is probably another but less used outside the context of sport. A lot of the teams came from cycling clubs which is where the name comes from.

    I think on the whole most team names are Frenchified.

    Olympique Gymnaste Club de Nice
    Olympique de Marseille
    Olympique Lyonnais
    Association Sportive de Monaco
    Association Sportive de Saint-Etienne
    Espérance Sportive Troyes
    Girondins de Bordeaux
    Association de la Jeunesse Auxerroise
    Stade Rennais
    En Avant Guingamp
    Nantes Atlantique

    The only team I can think of with a pure English name in their title would be Lille with Sporting and not sportive. And Ajaccio with Athletic Club. Again a lot to do with their roots.
     
  17. RealGooner

    RealGooner New Member

    May 2, 2005
    Toronto
    Racing Club is English not French. It would be Club de Racing if it were French
    or Club de Course, using the common French word for competitive racing. For Toulouse, it would be Club de Foot de Toulouse. Toulouse Football Club is English.
     
  18. MUTINYFAN

    MUTINYFAN Member

    Apr 18, 1999
    Orlando
    Toronto Internationals is a good name, IMHO. It is original and sounds clean and traditional. Kind of like the Oakland Athletics in baseball. Inter Toronto sounds like a copycat name to me. As for Houston Dynamo it is fine, thank god they did not call it Dynamo Houston. I prefer calling them the Houston Dynamos but Dymano will do just fine.

    As for the other non-US style MLS monikers, Chivas USA, FC Dallas and Real Salt Lake. I would of preferred that it be LA Chivas and anything other than Real Salt Lake. Salt Lake Royals and Dallas Hoops would be nice. Although Hoops sounds too much like an NBA team. Funny no NBA team ever had that name.

    One note....I have friends who love foreign soccer and hate MLS. They scoff at the league more when I tell them about FC Dallas and Real Salt Lake. They think the names are ridiculous. I say, If the league really wants to be traditional, why not bring back some of the NASL monikers.
     
  19. Roma_Wolves

    Roma_Wolves New Member

    May 4, 2004
    Austin, Texas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    'Football Club' is french or english.
     
  20. KaptPowers

    KaptPowers Member

    Dec 29, 2003
    Arlington, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Seeing as the "target demographic" in this instance would appear to be Toronto's Italian community, I doubt they'll be thinking of Bratislava at all.
     
  21. West 'am 'till I die

    West 'am 'till I die BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Mar 28, 2006
    London

    Brati-what-where???
     
  22. chlorine

    chlorine New Member

    Apr 14, 2006
    Toronto, ON
    Wow, a 20-page thread on this topic... I decided to register so I can have my say too... I suppose I understand why Leaf fans might have a problem with a football team stealing their identity... but it wouldn't be the first non-hockey Maple Leafs team... there exists a Toronto Maple Leafs Baseball Club. However, I can't see MLSE using the Leaf name on a new franchise that they own.

    Agree with everyone that it definitely has to be International(s) if that's the route they are going, and FC has to stand for Football Club, not just FC.

    I made up something... using a more Maple Leaf blue...
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    next thing I should do is make a mock kit.

    In europe, a lot of the football clubs is a sporting organization and have teams that participate in many leagues... so athletic club or sporting makes sense... definitely the case here, but if they are not named the same thing (Leafs, Raps, etc). then we shouldn't use those names.

    Toronto City FC or Toronto International FC... doesn't matter, just can't wait to see the team + the stadium
     
  23. metrofan89

    metrofan89 Member

    Jun 13, 2005
    Classy. Also, the blue and black color scheme would be great, but only if Colorado is going back to green.
     
  24. The latest rumour is red and white for the colour scheme. I'd stay away from blue and black and talk up the fact that Inter is used by several teams and not just Internazionale in Milan.
     
  25. kpaulson

    kpaulson New Member

    Jun 16, 2000
    Washington DC
    What a strange argument.

    Is there a Domestic Milan?

    Inter means "International". Toronto is proud of being an international city. Doesn't that make sense to you?

    Personally, the current worst names are, in order, RSL, the Wizards, the Crew and the Rapids. But frankly, I think those names have grown on people to the point that even they aren't a big factor in those teams' relative lack of success.

    The Chivas name is clearly important to that team's success. You don't have to like it, but that's how it is.
     

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