Title IX Article in Wall Street Journal

Discussion in 'Business and Media' started by Thomas Flannigan, Aug 27, 2002.

  1. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    The problem seems to be that colleges just don't admit more men. If they raised the mail student population to 50% or more, then there'd be no problems. :p
     
  2. SpeakEasy8

    SpeakEasy8 New Member

    Sep 6, 2001
    Grand Rapids, MI
    good luck with that. with the influx of college grads on the market, combined with all the recent white-collar layoffs, a male who isn't sure they want to go college is more likely to take that factory job that pays $15/hr with benefits.
     
  3. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    This discussion also relates to the quesiton of athletic opportunity as a whole. While we are currently segregating our athletes based on physical attributes, I wanted to make a plug for fat people who also deserve their own teams.

    Other suggestions:

    Nearsighted baseball
    Under 6 foot basketball
    The aquaphobic swim team
     
  4. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're welcome.

    Oh, you were being sarcastic.

    "Almost" unbearable? I'll work on that.

    Dude, the point I'm trying to make is that your whole line of argument is a distraction. It's irrelevant. It's the Wookie defense.

    Your approach is, in fact, "incorrect." I mean, the Wookie defense works on an absurdist cartoon like South Park. But no matter how much you keep trying to distract us, Title IX is about male athletes and female athletes. It's not about male soccer players, only, and female soccer players, only.

    For you to tease out just the soccer players makes as much sense as teasing out college athletes in Texas, or at schools whose mascots are some kind of feline, or schools that start with the letter H.

    Actually, my ridiculous examples are less ridiculous than yours, because they're representatives of the group that has to comply, namely, schools.

    Maybe that will help. Schools comply with Title IX, not sports.

    Do you see now how your approach isn't "different," just wrong?
     
  5. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    From the transcript

     
  6. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
     
  7. seahawkdad

    seahawkdad Spoon!!!

    Jun 2, 2000
    Lincoln, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    QUOTE]Originally posted by SpeakEasy8
    Actually, at many high schools, with the exception of basketball and baseball/softball, cuts do not exist. ie- if you want to play, you are more than welcome to play. Now you would have to compete to be a part of the varsity team (instead of junior varsity).. but you were more than welcome to join the team. [/QUOTE]

    Not true for girl's high school soccer in Northern Virginia. At Loudoun Valley High (located in an area which still has two operating dairies), 70+ girls tried out for the 20 varsity and 20 JV slots available. It's getting very competitive.

    EXACTLY. As others have pointed out, as soccer participation to fan ratios show, and as some university research on NFL fans that I found verifies, there is no correlation between being a participant and being a fan of a sport--none in either direction. So just because women aren't interested in sports coverage doesn't mean that they aren't interested in participating. THEY AREN'T RELATED!!!!
    Good thing they haven't been invited to read this thread...they'd really be confused then :D
    And ThePoolRules, thanks for the informative, thoughtful, well written post. Hopefully you'll stick around and we'll see more that will cause that 'newbie' status to mature nicely.
     
  8. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That wouldn't be the Women's Sports Foundation of which Donna Lopiano is the head, would it? Or is it another one? ;)
     
  9. John Galt

    John Galt Member

    Aug 30, 2001
    Atlanta
    First of all, great post, very thoughtful, useful info. To address some of your points: I wholeheartedly agree that the 3-prong test could be "clarified" to allow for greater ability to comply with prongs 2 or 3, but would be very opposed to gutting the 3-prong test so long as the only alternative proposals are the non-starters on this thread such as "put em on the same team as the boys" or "girls are not interested anyways"

    I keep going back to the Brown case, because I guess it's the leading interpretation out there, and think it provides a useful road map for what you call a "more objective way to measure interest." I think if we focused our efforts on refining the law in the ways you suggest, we would all quickly come to agreement. Personally, I think there should be some easy ways to provide guidance for schools to "measure interest" according to published guidelines, if we could all set aside our ideological impulses to try and talk about Title IX as a yes/no proposition.

    Retracting proportionality as a safe harbor, however, I think is an unacceptable political act because removing that standard without providing other well-defined measures for compliance essentially would leave the law as an unenforceable "best practices" hopeful guideline without teeth, meaning it would be ignored more than it is today.

    Lastly, I think your post very coherently makes the point that Title IX is not about men's or women's professional soccer in the slightest.
     
  10. Thomas Flannigan

    Feb 26, 2001
    Chicago
    To The Pool Rules: An excellent, thoughtul post. I agree with your statement that Title IX really has nothing to do with the skill of the most famous members of our USWNT. We have had arguments before about this on Big Soccer. Mia is 31 and Brandi a bit older. They were accomplished athletes in 1994 before The Clinton Administration stepped up "enforcement ".
    The media often called the team "Daughters of Title IX". That is not really accurate.
     
  11. Bombatta2

    Bombatta2 New Member

    Mia is 30...

    Actually, Mia is 30.... born in March of 1972......
    Brandi is 34....... born at the end of July, 1968.....

    Not trying to be a jerk.... I just have a good memory.....
     
  12. Thomas Flannigan

    Feb 26, 2001
    Chicago
    Bombatta, I confess. I had 30 written for Mia and 32 for Brandi. I changed both. Both were wrong. Still good players.
     
  13. seahawkdad

    seahawkdad Spoon!!!

    Jun 2, 2000
    Lincoln, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    thanks ThePoolRules

    Looks like we've wrung just about as much out of this one that we're going to get.

    Thanks, ThePoolRules, for a wonderful finale.
     

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