Time for yet another "Mass Shooting" thread

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  1. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    OK, but how many times in the history of mankind has an all white jury convicted a Black man of something, regardless of any evidence?
     
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  2. ElNaranja

    ElNaranja Member

    Houston Dynamo
    United States
    Jul 16, 2017
    Always
     
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  3. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Aug 22, 2001
    Don't drink beer but like cheese
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  4. SetPeace

    SetPeace Member+

    Jun 22, 2004
    SC Illinois
    Club:
    Torquay United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And the manufacturer of the equipment the shooter used to carry out his horrible deed pays...wait for it...ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
     
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  5. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United FC
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    It happens only on days that end in "day"
     
  6. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    I know that liability claims are often about who has the money, rather than who was at fault, but I am nevertheless struggling with the idea that MGM should pay damages because some wack job decided to kill people on its property, rather than on another property.
     
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  7. KensingtonSC

    KensingtonSC All You Fascists Bound to Lose

    FC Vaduz / Philadelphia Union
    Jan 7, 2010
    Andalusia, PA
    Club:
    FC Vaduz
    The belief was that they rented him the room, and he carried the weapons up there, and no one said or did anything about it. Not sure if they could've done anything about it, but that's how it went.

    Also, not being glib about the amount of money, but I'm pretty sure that MGM can afford that, combined with what they may be able to get from any insurance claims on their end.
     
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  8. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    No doubt that MGM can afford that. But at the risk of sounding like a conservative, I don't think the courts should be in the business of doing wealth distribution. If that is to happen, it should come from legislation.
     
  9. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    So there was complete muppetry here in NZ where a sob story broke about a 13 year old competition shooter who could no longer shoot with her Dad's AR15 so she had to move into pistol shooting

    This somehow got national radio+TV coverage

    Then turns out her dad is own of Gun City - NZs largest gun retailer

    Somehow the media didn't include that info :ROFLMAO:
     
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  10. Yoshou

    Yoshou Moderator
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    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There is competition AR shooting? I know there is pistol and rifle shooting, but AR?
     
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  11. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If an employee saw the shooter going up to his room with that sort of firepower, it would've been perfectly fine for him to alert the police. The police could've then come to the room, knocked on the door, and asked the shooter about why he was bringing such a large number of weapons to a hotel, assuming that in and of itself wasn't illegal. Such questioning would've been justified under Terry v. Ohio, as certainly a first tier encounter where police questioning is fine. Arguably that kind of weaponry would even justify a brief detention and questioning as a second tier encounter under Terry.
     
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  12. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It is a rifle
     
  13. ElNaranja

    ElNaranja Member

    Houston Dynamo
    United States
    Jul 16, 2017
    Just as likely he shoots the staff and/or cops who got in his way. Dont know what that would've meant for the crowd.

    For the general public, wouldn't have changed a thing. NRA, and their Russian overlords, have the government under control.
     
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  14. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sure, but I was specifically responding to what theory of liability plaintiffs shot at the concert would be positing. IOW, what could've happened that would've absolved (or at least mitigated) the hotel's potential liability in a personal injury action.

    Moreover, I don't think it's a stretch to think that if he had started shooting right at the point police started questioning him that lives at the concert (at least some) might've been saved as he would've been immediately engaged with police.
     
  15. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    He was actually shooting through a flexible window or windows wasn't he? Or am I misremembering?

    It might be argued that it is hazardous to so equip such an edifice? I don't know as I'd necessarily buy that as a juror, but...
     
  16. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    Not a mass shooting, unless we're talking Centre of Mass.

    S U R P R I S E..!

    NEWSER) – A Norwegian man was killed Tuesday night after trying to give his father-in-law—an armed Florida homeowner—a birthday surprise. Police say 37-year-old Christopher Bergan flew in from Norway to surprise Richard Dennis on his 61st birthday. He knocked on Dennis' back door in the Pensacola suburb of Gulf Breeze at around 11:30pm then jumped out from bushes to surprise him, the Pensacola News Journal reports. Dennis, however, had earlier argued with a relative who banged on the front door and answered his back door armed with a .380 semi-automatic firearm. Police say he fired at Bergan when he jumped out, instantly killing his son-in-law with a shot to the heart.
     
  17. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    according to this astro turfed piece

    I recall at school there was a rifle club, though in those days shooting was with old style 22s and 303s
     
  18. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    That is sad AF yet uniquely Whitelandian
     
  19. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    Seems more Darwinesque to me...
     
  20. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Of course the actual conduct of the trial is key in these cases.

    AG essentially convicted herself when she gave evidence

    She admitted when finding the door ajar, that she through all standard police training out the window and went full rambo into the apartment. The Jury did not believe she shouted any instructions or gave warning. She admitted shooting to kill.

    IMO she would have had a much better chance had she not given evidence as the state seemed to proceed on the basis of allowing for her "mistake" but arguing it made no difference even if believed.
     
  21. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    My first rifle for club shooting. The old SMLE ( smelly) frame fitted out for 22 long rifle. Steady as a rock.
     
  22. Smurfquake

    Smurfquake Moderator
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    Aug 8, 2000
    San Carlos, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think it happens in, say, suburban California, compared with suburban Florida. At least it's not as likely here. We have fewer folks walking around with guns to protect themselves from threats, real or imaginary.
     
  23. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    They don't issue travel warnings in foreign countries about the US of A for nuthin
     
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  24. Dage

    Dage Member+

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Only true for the USA my friend. In more civilized countries, that episode wouldn't have ended like that. You really shouldn't normalize the situation in the US or can't you really not see the thing?
     
  25. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    I think you have missed my point altogether...
     
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