Time for yet another "Mass Shooting" thread

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  1. Moishe

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    #7901 Moishe, Sep 29, 2019
    Please miss me with that Pagan shit. I should’ve know that as a vegetarian you were probably Wiccan as well.
     
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  2. dapip

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    #7902 dapip, Sep 29, 2019
    But we have the 2A!!!

     
  3. Sounders78

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    #7903 Sounders78, Sep 29, 2019
    Being shot is a small price to pay for being free.
     
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  4. ElNaranja

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    #7904 ElNaranja, Sep 29, 2019
    40000 small prices to pay per anum!
     
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  5. Sounders78

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    #7905 Sounders78, Sep 29, 2019
    The more shot, the more free we are!

    Praise Jeebus!
     
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  6. dapip

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    #7906 dapip, Sep 30, 2019
    Not a mass shooting but Texas...

     
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  7. taosjohn

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    #7907 taosjohn, Sep 30, 2019
    But it wasn't her ground...
     
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  8. The Jitty Slitter

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    #7908 The Jitty Slitter, Sep 30, 2019
    This is similar to the Pistorius situation previously discussed.

    It can't be self defence because there was no threat

    But if she was mistaken as to the circumstances such as that she thought she was in her own home, it could apply in a putative self defence situation

    Personally I think her story is not believable

    Private defence is a defence excluding unlawfulness, which is judged objectively and ‘putative’ or ‘supposed’ private defence, relates to the mental state of the accused.

    Where the accused raises the defence of private defence, the judicial inquiry commences with an examination of the unlawfulness or the lawfulness of the accused’s conduct. If the conduct is lawful, then an acquittal results. If the conduct is unlawful, then the inquiry might not end there. Provided a foundation is laid for the ‘putative’ private defence, then the court proceeds to examine whether the accused genuinely, albeit mistakenly, believed that he or she was acting in lawful private defence (where the charge requires intention to be proved) or whether this belief was also held on reasonable grounds (where negligence is sufficient for liability). The use of force in private defence is justified if it was reasonably necessary to repel an unlawful invasion of person, property or other legal interest, and the test of whether an accused had acted justifiably is an objective one. Putative private defence on the other hand could be raised successfully to show lack of intention where an accused had acted defensively in the honest but erroneous belief that his life or property was in danger.​
     
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  9. Dr. Wankler

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    #7909 Dr. Wankler, Sep 30, 2019
    However, she is white.
     
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  10. The Jitty Slitter

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    #7910 The Jitty Slitter, Sep 30, 2019
    Yeah - that was a big outrage factor in the original failure to charge her with anything

    Some aspects of her story simply don't ring true.

    1. Outside the guys front door was a door matt etc that she doesn't have. So how could she get that wrong?

    2. He lives on a different floor - so how did she "mistakenly" drive her car to the wrong parking level?

    3. How did she get in with no keys? She claims the door was propped open (its self closing) but that seems like utter bullshit and one coincidence to many for me
     
  11. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    #7911 Cascarino's Pizzeria, Sep 30, 2019
    Probable defense - she was so busy sexting her married partner & horned up that she had the wrong floor entirely.
     
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  12. The Jitty Slitter

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    #7912 The Jitty Slitter, Sep 30, 2019
    It seems like the Guyger trial isn't going to resolve any of that stuff.

    The DA has instead taken the approach that it was murder even on the facts the defense pleaded.

    Feels like a case the DA was not too interested in winning
     
  13. sitruc

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    #7913 sitruc, Sep 30, 2019
    I want to be so much more critical of this, but I know the history of Skipper at Virginia Tech.

    The crew takes firing Skipper very seriously now. Nobody is close to it when it is fired or when it misfires. You will be tackled by a cadet if you are going into the path of it even if it's not being shot in the moment. A couple weeks ago I watched as there was a misfire during pre-game and they would not let anyone get close to the path of the shot before they made sure it was completely safe. It's normally moved to the practice field north of the stadium during the game and fired when the team scores and at the end of wins. It has been pretty quiet recently.
    There's video of his apartment from the body cameras and there are photos of her apartment. They don't look similar. He was on the couch that was significantly within the apartment. Even if she shot him from the door, there's a lot to look at and process.

    //I've watched that video a bunch of times and never noticed that I can find myself in a crowd shot
     
  14. dapip

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    #7914 dapip, Oct 1, 2019
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  15. usscouse

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    #7915 usscouse, Oct 1, 2019
    That's not right! In Texas.

    She's white, a cop, standing her ground in his apt. Scared for her life. He's black, unarmed, sitting on his couch. A clear case of self defense.
     
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  16. The Jitty Slitter

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    #7916 The Jitty Slitter, Oct 1, 2019
    Good.
     
  17. superdave

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    #7917 superdave, Oct 2, 2019
    Being so wrong, you probably should reassess your beliefs.
     
  18. Sounders78

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    #7918 Sounders78, Oct 2, 2019
    Or adjust the sarcasm meter.
     
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  19. taosjohn

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    #7919 taosjohn, Oct 2, 2019
    I think the defense didn't emphasize the Fruit Loops enough. He was eating Fruit Loops.

    As a cop, she figured he was setting up a twinkie defense and she better fire first.
     
  20. dapip

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    #7920 dapip, Oct 2, 2019
    Hopefully there's one on sale for Black Freeday...
     
  21. xtomx

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    #7921 xtomx, Oct 2, 2019
    He was, I understand, EATING CEREAL!
    Clearly he had a spoon. It could be a deadly weapon.
     
  22. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    #7922 Cascarino's Pizzeria, Oct 2, 2019
    It's sad to think the last thing the poor guy saw between spoonfuls of cereal is this insane cop walking into his apt, screaming at him and then shooting him. :(
     
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  23. xtomx

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    #7923 xtomx, Oct 2, 2019
    "Face down in the Fruit Loops" should be anyone's epitaph.
     
  24. Auriaprottu

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    #7924 Auriaprottu, Oct 2, 2019
    They fixed it in the mix
     
  25. Yoshou

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    #7925 Yoshou, Oct 3, 2019
    I wonder if the demographics of the jury played a roll in her guilty charge? From what I was seeing in the news, it was majority African-American. I wouldn't think a majority A-A jury would be as sympathetic to her simply because of the victim's race.

    A majority white jury may have come to a different result..
     
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