Time for yet another "Mass Shooting" thread

Dear Leader appears to have sent out a tweet where he contradicts himself.

Also, too many people think movies/tv is real life. Very few people can dive across a table and take out the bad guy with a pistol.

 

No. Americans love their children. They just don't care about anyone else's. I was criticized elsewhere here for suggesting that Americans are the most selfish people, but it's so true. Americans don't care about anyone but themselves. The reason why these gun nuts don't want any restrictions on guns is because it affects them personally, and those people don't give one damn about anyone else. Remember, "Your dead kids don't trump MY rights." That's as selfish as it gets.

 

My two kids drive me up a wall, and I was partially responsible for their existence. I can not imagine teaching and being surrounded by hundreds of them 7+ hours/day, 5 days/week and they are not even yours. I drank a couple beers after every soccer practice I led. I don't care how well adjusted someone is, giving educators the right to carry on school grounds is insane.

 

I know a teacher who committed suicide last week.

 

I think it's only a matter of time before a parent who has either already suffered this tragedy or will in the future goes vigilante on an NRA lobbyist or legislator.

 

I'll never understand that logic that you're not allowed to bring guns into an NRA meeting. It's almost as if those people think guns are dangerous and they don't want to get shot.

 

If they let people bring guns to NRA meetings full of lying fanatical crooks, then there would be no good guys with guns in attendance. That's why.

 

Then why are they so intrusive? If they don't care about my children, why can't I take my infant into a Kentucky bar? If they don't care about my children, why will they investigate me if I try to develop photos taken of my kids in the batthtub? If they don't care about my children, why will somebody lecture me if I have the stroller in one section of the park, and I am in another section?

Americans seem to care a whole damn lot, if meddling is caring.

 

Even a blind pig/even a broken clock...

 

Favorite gunnut line "you never see massacres at gun shows"

 

Quick 5 minute read but well worth it.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... source=twb

A medical angle justifying the banning of AR-15

 

I think the content deserves to be posted and shared, here and on all your social media:

I was looking at a CT scan of one of the victims of the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, who had been brought to the trauma center during my call shift. The organ looked like an overripe melon smashed by a sledgehammer, with extensive bleeding. How could a gunshot wound have caused this much damage?

The reaction in the emergency room was the same. One of the trauma surgeons opened a young victim in the operating room, and found only shreds of the organ that had been hit by a bullet from an AR-15, a semi-automatic rifle which delivers a devastatingly lethal, high-velocity bullet to the victim. There was nothing left to repair, and utterly, devastatingly, nothing that could be done to fix the problem. The injury was fatal.

A year ago, when a gunman opened fire at the Fort Lauderdale airport with a 9mm semiautomatic handgun, hitting 11 people in 90 seconds, I was also on call. It was not until I had diagnosed the third of the six victims who were transported to the trauma center that I realized something out-of-the-ordinary must have happened. The gunshot wounds were the same low velocity handgun injuries as those I diagnose every day; only their rapid succession set them apart. And all six of the victims who arrived at the hospital that day survived.

Routine handgun injuries leave entry and exit wounds and linear tracks through the victim's body that are roughly the size of the bullet. If the bullet does not directly hit something crucial like the heart or the aorta, and they do not bleed to death before being transported to our care at a trauma center, chances are, we can save the victim. The bullets fired by an AR-15 are different; they travel at higher velocity and are far more lethal. The damage they cause is a function of the energy they impart as they pass through the body. A typical AR-15 bullet leaves the barrel traveling almost three times faster than, and imparting more than three times the energy of, a typical 9mm bullet from a handgun. An AR-15 rifle outfitted with a magazine cartridge with 50 rounds allows many more lethal bullets to be delivered quickly without reloading.

I have seen a handful of AR-15 injuries in my career. I saw one from a man shot in the back by a SWAT team years ago. The injury along the path of the bullet from an AR-15 is vastly different from a low-velocity handgun injury. The bullet from an AR-15 passes through the body like a cigarette boat travelling at maximum speed through a tiny canal. The tissue next to the bullet is elastic—moving away from the bullet like waves of water displaced by the boat—and then returns and settles back. This process is called cavitation; it leaves the displaced tissue damaged or killed. The high-velocity bullet causes a swath of tissue damage that extends several inches from its path. It does not have to actually hit an artery to damage it and cause catastrophic bleeding. Exit wounds can be the size of an orange.

With an AR-15, the shooter does not have to be particularly accurate. The victim does not have to be unlucky. If a victim takes a direct hit to the liver from an AR-15, the damage is far graver than that of a simple handgun shot injury. Handgun injuries to the liver are generally survivable unless the bullet hits the main blood supply to the liver. An AR-15 bullet wound to the middle of the liver would cause so much bleeding that the patient would likely never make it to a trauma center to receive our care.​

 

Well posing this does violate BS guideline no?

I mean the people that wrote that article probably want the clicks on their website.

 

"Now you get our multi-level marketing plan!"

- Wayne LaPierre

 

I've had a few drafts of this message in this window for a while, but never really know how to say it without sounding perverse and in favor of showing graphic content that desensitizes people. For better or worse, the majority of mainstream coverage of events is always very sanitized. I often wish it wasn't, but it's always hard to say where the line should be. Frankly, the police do an amazing job of covering scenes and keeping them off limits before the worst can be often be witnessed. It's rare to even see the sheet completely covering a body on television anymore. Blood and bone are never shown on the bigger mainstream shows. Everything is presented more sanitized than an early primetime criminal procedural. I often feel people need visceral visual reminders of reality. Instead of showing the conscious person in a hospital bed covered by blankets with family around, show the x-rays and exhausted surgeons. Show the person paralyzed from pain. Visit that person in a month when the family can't afford medical bills. Show the body cam footage of the police finding someone who overdosed. Show the remains of the people who died in a mud slide. Describe what bullets do to a body. Describe the real costs of flooding or the loss of utilities and how that will destroy many families. Make reality real. It's frustrating that so many issues are simply a result of people not appreciating reality. I don't want media to be gore porn, but numbers aren't enough. At most, people think it's horrible that X many people died. They don't care about the number of people injured or the extremes of those injuries. People don't care about the emotional and psychological toll of events. People don't care that large swaths of the country are touched by traumatizing events on a regular basis. All of this shit needs to be shown plainly so people can understand each other. Most aren't going to put in the effort or desire to care when they have their own shit going on. They rarely even realize they aren't alone.

 

The entire piece was not quoted.

 

You mean they don't care about gun safety no more? Aw shucks!

 

Hopefully you can see it... makes another obvious point painfully clear...



Found a better link on YouTube

 

Hour-by-hour comparision of Trump and Obama responding to school shootings.

 

So you want to give miss Hodgekins a gun in case a shooter comes to school.

Well this is how a paid professional law enforcement officer handles it.


"Two deputies are being suspended without pay by Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel, according to a statement Thursday afternoon.

According to the press conference, the school resource officer assigned to Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School the day of the shooting never went into the building when a “code red” was called. Israel said that when he watched the footage of the deputy staying outside while children were being killed inside “made me sick.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/br...ge-shows-never-went-school-parkland-massacre/

 

Yeah but maybe Miss Hodgkins is a hardass who could pick off a haji from 2 clicks away.

 

Nah! Miss Hodgkins retired at 70 when I left Jr School.
She just came to mind.