The US Supreme Court Thread

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  1. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    I was a teenager. Free tickets, beer & pretzels was A-OK.
     
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  2. Dr. Wankler

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    I'm pretty sure we know where Satan is selling beer.
     
  3. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

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    Chicago fans don't throw things. They just call in sports talk shows and decry whomever they're scapegoating for the loss in the hopes of encouraging said scapegoat to commit suicide.
     
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  4. KCFutbol

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    It was.
     
  5. ceezmad

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    @American Brummie

    Too early to say you called it (I think it was you that said Roberts may slide to the left a little)?

    https://www.economist.com/democracy...ocks-abortion-clinic-regulations-in-louisiana
     
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  6. HerthaBerwyn

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    May 24, 2003
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    Ah. the Keith Emerson treatment.

    I think Roberts is most concerned with the perception of the legitimacy of the court. He has the potential to disappoint and enrage the Right by going full Souter.
     
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  7. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

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    I'm not sure this reflects a leftward slide.. Rather, he could be trying to hurry it along to get up to the SC so they can get a second bite at the apple. Roberts was in the minority of the Texas admittance law that set the precedent that these laws are unconstitutional, while Kennedy joined the liberal Justices in the majority. Now that Kennedy has been replaced by a Justice likely to rule in favor of the law, this could result in the SC flipping precedent to constitutional.
     
  8. Deadtigers

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    Did anybody find Susan Collins for comment on Kavanaugh demanding more there needs to be more information.
     
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  9. diablodelsol

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  10. Yoshou

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    Scales it back, maybe? It should reduce the most egregious examples where people who aren’t even suspected of a crime have their assets seized and shift the burden of proof onto the police that seize the assets instead of the people whose assets were seized.
     
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  11. yossarian

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    #2836 yossarian, Feb 21, 2019
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    I haven't read the opinion yet, but my understanding based on what was argued and briefed is that the focus was on whether the most egregious types of these seizures violated the 8th Amendment and that this applies to the States as well. The case didn't involve changing the burden of proof. The police/govt. actually does have the burden in these cases. The problem is the burden is only "a preponderance of the evidence" rather than "beyond a reasonable doubt," which makes it much easier for them to prove their case. It'd be interesting to see some cases test this as well, with the argument being that even though incarceration isn't on the table, these situations are nevertheless criminal proceedings and should be treated as such.
     
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  12. Yoshou

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    From the analysis of this that I've seen, they've said that while the ruling was only about excessive fines, the end result will be a shift to treating asset forfeitures as criminal proceedings. Primarily because, up until now, the seizures have been treated as a civil case against the property. So, in Timbs case, the court filing was likely State of Indiana v Land Rover rather than State of Indiana v Tyson Timbs. Now that the Supreme Court has tied the seizures to the 8th amendment, the analysis I've seen says the seizures will have to be tied to a criminal proceeding so that it can be part of the fee/fine for the crime. It should also end the instances where property is seized when there isn't a conviction (or even an arrest) just because the police suspect that the property was used in a criminal activity.
     
  13. The Jitty Slitter

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    So you can be found not guilty at BARD standard, but have your assets confiscated at civil standard out of the same transactions?
     
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  14. yossarian

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    Yes. Crazy, huh?
     
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  15. Yoshou

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    Even worse. You don't have to be charged for anything at all and still have your assets confiscated. One article that I saw on a particular town in Texas that is notorious for abusing asset forfeiture had an example of a family that was driving from Houston to New Orleans. They got pulled over and the officer searched their car and found $8,000 in their car. The officer arrested them on suspicion of drug dealing (all he found was the cash), but they were released later that day. Their $8,000, on the other hand, was seized.
     
  16. The Jitty Slitter

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    LMAO - that's like Vietnam cops :ROFLMAO:
     
  17. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

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    I think I asked this before and this was answered...but honestly I’ve forgotten.

    There is more talk amongst Dem candidates of adding Supreme Court seats.

    What is the process?

    What stops trump and the republicans from adding 6 in a lame duck session (6 that would....for example....take the position that he could pardon himself)
     
  18. Dr. Wankler

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    There must be, because The American Conservative has a dumb article denouncing it that posted today.

    But I haven't come across anything since Merrick Garland got Turtled in 2016.
     
  19. Smurfquake

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    The Constitution doesn't say how many judges are on the Supreme Court. Various laws have been passed over the years to change the size of the Court. The first one, the Judiciary Act of 1789, called for six judges. The one that is currently in effect which set the size at nine was passed in 1869. There was a move in the 1930s to expand the size of the court but it did not pass Congress.

    So the process is for Congress to pass a law calling for a different number of justices on the Supreme Court.

    What stops the Republicans from doing this while Trump is still in office is the Democrat-controlled House. What will stop Democrats from doing this any time soon will be the Republican-weighted Senate - even if Democrats get 50 seats, they're not going to get 60 any time soon, so Republicans can filibuster. If Democrats get rid of the filibuster, and have a Democratic President in 2021 or so, and keep the House and take 50+ in the Senate, they may be able to pass such a law, but there will be, shall we say, a small amount of resistance.
     
  20. Yoshou

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    Yes. Dems are still smarting over Garland and are threatening to add Justices.

    On the other hand, it might make sense to do that for other reasons as well.. the SCOTUS is the only court than all the judges on the court hear every case. An argument could be made that having a rotation of judges would mean more cases get heard.
     
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  21. The Jitty Slitter

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    So the Supreme Court heading in a fashy direction with yesterday's decision?
     
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  22. yossarian

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    #2847 yossarian, Mar 20, 2019
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  23. onefineesq

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    Shocking, eh?
     
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  24. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

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    Roberts and RGB will at least sometimes vote where they think the law belongs, even if it goes against their political views. I'm not sure about the remaining lefty judges, and I know for damn sure that the right (aside from Kavanaugh, too early to tell) votes strictly Republican.

    The Supreme Court over the past 20 years or so has been so overtly political that it's hard to hold that institution in much respect.
     
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  25. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
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    CLARENCE THOMAS HAS OPENED HIS MOUTH AND SPOKEN FOR THE SECOND TIME THIS DECADE. HE APPEARS SENTIENT AND IN SATISFACTORY CONDITION.





    (Unfortunately it was a stupid question that I could have answered from New York.)
     

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