@Orange14 ... singing from the same hymn sheet regarding the need for intervention. I've heard nice words from FIFA (Infantino in a recent interview), UEFA and even the EU but I'd like to see more action. For me, this is about what's best for football. Although with Infantino I'd expect some populist statements but if he could start a super league, FIFA's holy grail, their own CL with a constant revenue stream on top of what they generate every 4 years with the WC, Infantino would have no problems with any demands the superclubs could possibly make. On the individual level, however, I'm not convinced that talents are making poor career choices by joining the world's best academies. You ask: "Do any of you think that those players on loan will ever play in a Chelsea first team?" Courtois, Lukaku and De Bruyne have spent time in Chelsea's army of loanees (two of them are at other big clubs but their careers are very healthy). There's nothing wrong with not making it into Chelsea's first team, e.g. De Bruyne is quite happy at City. This season Christensen came back from loan and won his place in the starting line-up. Terry was the last of their academy players but it isn't like their academy was overcrowded with top quality players (Bertrand made somewhat of a name for himself, granted that doesn't reflect well on their academy's "talent" detection, De Visser did OK though). Does Van Ginkel have the level to play at Chelsea and challenge for the PL crown? Can he have a respectable career elsewhere? I doubt that with Chelsea on his resumé his career prospects have been diminished.