The Trump Presidency VI: Stormy Weather

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  1. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    If you put a very large sign on your property, and (indirectly) charge your neighbors for the right to write on that sign, would you worry about what they come up with? Would it be alright for one of them to write that Hillary Clinton is a child molester? Remember, this is the sign that you provided, and it is up on your property.

    That seems to me a reasonably fair, if not perfect, analogy.
     
  2. Bluto11

    Bluto11 The sky is falling!

    May 16, 2003
    Chicago, IL
    Maybe a cork board at the local Starbucks/coffee shop works better?
     
  3. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
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    As expected, Trump's numbers are tickling down again....He being murdered by women.....

    A new Quinnipiac poll finds American voters give President Trump a negative 37% to 58% approval rating, down from 40% to 55% earlier this month.

    By a 57% to 41% margin voters say that Trump is not fit to serve as president. There is a wide gender gap, with men divided 49% to 49% on whether Trump is fit. Women say 65% to 33% he is not fit.
     
  4. dapip

    dapip Member+

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    Too bad the approval among Russian bots is still very high...
     
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  5. ceezmad

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    I don't think this would fly in court, Facebook will say they are not a publisher, but it is worth a try.
     
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  6. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

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    What if I do not charge my neighbor but I get money from advertisements?
     
  7. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    True, they are not a traditional publisher. Although I suggested in a previous post that they might be considered liable, I don't know if that is the right approach. What I do know is that ignoring the situation doesn't work. Somehow, we need to grapple with the issue of the responsibilities of those who host social-media platforms.
     
  8. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

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    The way we approach child porn may be a way, but it is tricky, and that is something that is not that controversial (in terms of going after the people that distribute it).
     
  9. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

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    The script for a crisis actor


    [​IMG]

    Remember to act human.
     
  10. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    Oh dear God.

    He’s in the uncanny valley. His personality I mean.
     
  11. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
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    He has '45' embroidered onto his shirt? Impeach.
     
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  12. dapip

    dapip Member+

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    Is that a post-it?

    [​IMG]
     
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  13. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

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    It’s not on my property. People only get what I post on or like in their page, not what’s on my page.

    If someone posts Clinton is a child molester it is not broadcast to my friends, just the friends of the poster.

    So it’s not a perfect analogy, it’s downright shitty.
     
  14. ArsenalMetro

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    I'm not sure you understood the analogy.
     
  15. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Where are you going with this? I said in my analogy that it is on your property. You don't get to change that. So I guess you are arguing that the analogy is bad because Facebook pages aren't Facebook property ... but they are.
     
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  16. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

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    I can't help but feel embarrassed....That the US of A voted this cretin and charlatan to be President is simply insane.
     
  17. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    It could be his IQ
     
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  18. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    I felt the same way immediately after the election for a few weeks. Like "you really did this, huh Whitandia? Well he will surely act like an adult because of the office and our place in the world" Then he's Trumped us since Day 1 and it's been a surreal experience. Like a really smart woman somehow married to a drunken slob who beats & berates her. "How fhe F did I wind up like this?" Our political life under Trump is just depressing & tiring. We didn't have to hear from Obama each day cause we knew he was working.
     
  19. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Sep 6, 2001
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    About every 10 days, I am a bit overcome with thought/feeling.
    Embarrassment
    Shame
    Sadness

    Ending in anger
     
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  20. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    It really will depend a lot on jurisdiction but it is hardly a new idea that a social media platform or digital platforms are liable for the content of their users

    Back in the day Bigsoccer itself used to more strongly enforce copyright infringement and slander precisely because of the risk of liability

    In Germany, Twitter is now required to allow you to report posts under the strong german laws - e.g. nazi propaganda and twitter must remove it if it infringes.

    Also you have the analogy of sites like megaupload which were criminally responsible for the uploads of customers

    So it is far from clear that FB could evade responsibility - especially if its own Algo's send content viral.
     
  21. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Men are dopier in almost all respects.
     
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  22. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    The real concern FB has is that do-gooder liberal leftie politicians OR attention seeking righties might regulate them much more strictly.

    This is why FB has been trying to spin a narrow pathway that this is all about ads that were not trying to influence the elections and that FB is taking steps to identify advertisers.

    But the actual data is that by far the majority of fake news Americans were exposed to came from unpaid posts - and we've seen that perfectly illustrated in the last days

    FB could delete those fake news posts and videos - but it is deciding not to.

    why?
     
  23. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

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    Facebook posts are public. Would you blame your city government if someone painted graffiti?
     
  24. dapip

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  25. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    Your analogy is poor.

    Facebook uses algorithms to “trend” certain posts. They don’t care about veracity. That’s the problem we’re talking about.
     
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