Thinking about it, I think I got the "16" from, you needed to be 17 at induction, but you could sign up at 16. I also think one needs to recognize that Dec 8th volunteers were reacting to Pearl Harbor. If you were mad at the Japanese you didn't sign up for the Army, you went to the Navy/Marine recruiter. It was also pulling from a late depression demographic-- the Army was not particularly respected, having been underfunded and under establishment for decades. The Navy, on the other hand, had a reputation for mountains of great food... And I wonder-- do you know how the record keeping actually worked? Did the guys who volunteered on Dec 8th go in the database' records for Dec 8th, or did they have to be processed and their actual records were dated the 9th or tenth. Because 6000 sounds low even for the sixth-- the Army was being brought up to respectable strength even before the 7th, and there were still a lot of hungry unemployed in the country. The stories my parents' generation told about the nationwide reaction to PH were pretty uniform-- nobody believed in war on Saturday and everybody did on Sunday night. I had a father, three uncles and an aunt who all served in that war, and both my SO's parents did-- but it is more than that. My childhood neighborhood had the usual gang of kids, and all of their fathers served, I think without exception-- a few might have been too young and did Korea instead. But the point is, every adult I grew up around contributed to the collective story that the recruitment centers were really busy that Monday morning. I'm a little reluctant to conclude that it was all a fib just based on the number you found in one place, without a bit deeper look... though certainly generational myth-building is a well-recognized phenomenon...
Of course; but 15-year-olds have sometimes won that sort of argument all throughout history; and lots of households were having difficulty feeding almost-adults, and even back then kids learned to forge their parents signatures on report cards. And this was long before kids had SSNs, and it was quite common for adolescents to be living at a distance from their parents seeking some combination of work and education, and there was no way to establish the ages of most/many of them-- drivers' licenses, eve birth certificates, weren't universal by any means. I recommend "The Brass Ring," Bill Mauldin's autobiography, for a reasonable picture of coming of age at the time. And there has also been the minority report-- the mother who has seen going off to war as a necessary rite of passage and encouraged or demanded it of their kid.
IIRC my dad was 17 when he was called to the Times Square recruiting station I believe in spring 1945. An Army sgt was speaking to him when a Marine sgt grabbed him and said "you dont wanna be in the Army, you wanna be a Marine!" And so he was and off he went to Camp Lejeune for basic. IIRC he turned 18 on VJ Day and so he never went to the Pacific but fiunished his commitment stateside
I'm a few years older than AOC and the like, but if you're in my age group, you grew up hearing GOPers screaming about raising taxes being socialism. We need to raise taxes to fix the roads in Michigan? SOCIALISM! Obamacare? SOCIALISM! I know what socialism means, but considering the GOP screamed it at every opportunity, it's kind of lost it's meaning. EDIT: I should add that one of the upsides of Obamacare was that it put an end to insurance companies and preexisting conditions. That the GOP was against that from the start tells you everything.
That's pretty much every war. One of the main reasons the Confederacy lost the Civil War was low enlistment & high desertion rates.
Some of us are so old we know that tax cuts create millions of jobs, don't create deficits, get you laid and cure male pattern baldness.
I spoke with my sister who is an Army Officer and another friend who is an Officer - the long and short of it is it the VFW and whatnot often put together uniforms weirdly, hence the hat. Everything else, is suspect. And the word suspect is pretty generous. I find stolen valor a strange concept. But mostly I just feel sad for people that need that esteem boost and try to use lies to get more credibility.
Here he is holding what I suppose is his WWII era photos. https://patch.com/new-york/new-york-city/president-trump-open-new-york-city-veterans-day-parade
I understand. But the data I'm pulling from are the Army's own records. What I think happened was that as the war ended, we discovered some pretty horrific atrocities that the Axis powers committed, and everyone wanted to be a part of the group that brought down these objectively evil enemies. So anyone who fought in the war became a hero, and each time the war stories were told they got a bit taller. My own grandfather passed along a story of his participation at the Battle of Midway, which is hard to reconcile with these data that indicate he enlisted in 1943.
I was told that I was not allowed to wear my uniform with rank and such after I left the military, so I always found it weird when veterans do it. Perhaps I was given the wrong information, but I did rip off the rank and branch from my battle dress uniforms right after I got out.
There are guidelines to be adhered to but the long and the short is that under a few circumstances in which a retiree or former service (honorable discharge only) can wear either service or dress uniform. BDU's or any kind of full working uniform are prohibited. Going back, federal and state holidays and associated parades are okay as well as funerals, inaugural balls, teaching/lecturing (approved orgs). Oh and any living recipient of the MoH can wear their dress/service uniforms whenever they want...so long as they follow uniform regulations.
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https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...v/14/what-congress-doing-besides-impeachment/ 300 bills passed in the house stuck in the Senate, vs 58 bills passed in the Senate stuck in the house. One number does look much larger than the other.
It is actually possible,I think-- when "Yorktown" sailed from Pearl, her Coral Sea damage had not been fully repaired, and some dozens of dockworkers sailed with her to continue working on stuff. They are as surely veterans of that battle as anybody else, and some of them eventually enlisted I imagine. Also IIRC some Hollywood type-- Huston maybe?-- was on the roof of the power plant on Sand? Island and filmed the air raids. He didn't enlist later but he had a small crew with him-- maybe one of them did... Not sayin' Grandpa was one of them-- but somebody's Gandpa coulda been. Do you know the story of Billy Joe Shaver, famous Western songwriter? Billy Joe from the moment he distinguished himself from Joe Shmoe, told the story of how he, abandoned Indian kid raised on a hardscrabble farm by his grandparents after his mother abandoned him there, was advised as an 11 year old by the man at the feed store that he oughta try to come to the Grange Hall tomorrow night because there was a big music show there. And how he did, walking miles of railroad track barefoot and dressed only in overalls, and the folks there were kind enough to let him in-- and Hank Williams impressed him so much that he dedicated his life to becoming a songwriter. Coupla decades go by, and Hank's career becomes fodder for academic research, and one day a researcher who specializes in Hank publishes a paper accounting for every single gig Williams ever got paid for, and establishing that Hank 1. was in New Orleans in the months indicated and 2. never was booked at that particular Grange hall-- in other words Shaver was making it up. Then a bit later, another guy who specialized in Bob Wills published an article establishing that The Light Crust Doughboys, with Wills, did play that hall in that timeframe-- and Hank hitched a ride with them to try out some new material between their sets. So how 'bout them apples, huh?
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