The paucity of English opportunity thread

Discussion in 'England' started by wellno, Aug 9, 2017.

  1. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
  2. David Hurford

    David Hurford Member

    West Ham
    England
    Jul 15, 2017
    Thought he was tremendous. He's put on muscle and looks very much ready for mens football. Exciting
     
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  3. itfcjoe

    itfcjoe Member

    Oct 8, 2014
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    I appreciate that will be the reason he's still there, but says something about their development if they give a 5 year deal at 21 (rumoured to be on £25-30k a week this season) and they can't get a fee for him, or him paid off well enough to move on when he is clearly miles away. He's not a player that has had a breakdown and gone off the boil, he has played every season and a significant amount of senior football.

    It hasn't allowed him the chance to naturally find his level and, potentially work himself back up to get back into contention - loan after loan just a terrible career path.

    I note Kieran Dowell has just signed for Derby today, he's doing the same. See also Matthew Pennington, Callum Connolly, Mason Holgate, Jonjoe Kenny and Ademola Lookman who are getting nowhere
     
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  4. Manchester21

    Manchester21 Member

    Manchester City
    England
    Jun 17, 2017
    I think Harvey Elliot would have been much better staying at Fulham. Not a chance he’ll get game time at Liverpool.

    So many young players not thinking about game time and development
     
  5. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    A lot of pre-season games are on that Ron7 site. Loads of pop ups though and probably a virus magnet. :oops:
     
  6. ADM99

    ADM99 Member

    Apr 28, 2019
    Greenwood & Gomes on for the second half of United's first pre-season game.
     
  7. ADM99

    ADM99 Member

    Apr 28, 2019
    James Garner also came off the bench and scored a decent goal

     
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  8. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    So, it looks the FA have ridden the storm that was over a month ago with Boothroyd given another pop at destroying another talented U21 group of players this coming cycle. Can’t wait for the inevitable cluster ******** for the next two years :confused:. Also looks like the FA will keep Simpson and Downing who also haven’t faired much better over the last two years. It’s good to see our FA being so proactive in trying to deal with failure and obviously seem to think they are the right guys to coach our underage teams :confused:

    It’s just a general :mad: all around when it comes to the FA.
     
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  9. Garibaldi11

    Garibaldi11 Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    #1234 Garibaldi11, Jul 13, 2019
    Last edited: Jul 13, 2019


    No Felix Nmecha or Taylor Richards from English perspective. Moving quickly to the 01-02 group which is quite talented (could have added Rogers). Maybe not the level of stars the 99-00 had but all round depth I think it is better and more players of top to elite potential.

    Obviously Adarabioyo needs to leave.
     
  10. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Plus Foden will join the Squad in Hong Kong.
     
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  11. Sensanetional

    Sensanetional Member

    Apr 4, 2017
    Not sure where Felix Nmecha is but apparently Rogers can't join the club officially until his 17th birthday, which is in like two weeks.
     
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  12. AJ123

    AJ123 Member

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Watched the United game and I think Gomes caught the eye the most out of the young England lads. Greenwood was good again, hit the post but like in his Prem debut he could have had a few if his finishing was on point. Gomes and Greenwood are both really comfortable with the ball, it’s great to see young English players with that level of control and that are able to play those intricate moves round the box, they linked up well with Mata. Garner scored a lovely goal but only got about 8 minutes game time.
     
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  13. Garibaldi11

    Garibaldi11 Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
     
  14. itfcjoe

    itfcjoe Member

    Oct 8, 2014
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    Interesting tweet from Darragh MacAnthony (Peterborough chairman in L1)



    They are a club that hasn't used the loan system a great deal and you can see why when these are the figures quoted.

    I can see why the clubs want a deal like this, because they need to ensure the player is being looked after, is wanted and isn't just going there as squad filler.

    There have been deals in place where there are penalty clauses in place for not playing which is equally unpopular.

    But these sort of deals are going to price players out of a move, especially when clubs are investing heavily in their own youth development, and most of these loans will be 'first loans' into the EFL which are always a lot riskier.

    There are only a handful of transfers above this as a fee, and that is when the club will own the player and potentially be able to profit on them. There is one club in the league, Bury, who look like they will be going out of business in the next few weeks.

    I have some sympathy, as a supporter of a side that has been in the second tier for a long time and focuses heavily on youth dev, as nothing more frustrating than loans where the players don't play.

    But this seems way OTT, and will stop players from developing, and also will see informal partnerships be put in place which is poor for the integrity of the EFL.
     
  15. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    They've just signed a massively past-it George Boyd on God-knows what money though, so it's their loss.
     
  16. itfcjoe

    itfcjoe Member

    Oct 8, 2014
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    He's a good senior player to have in the camp though, massively experienced and was a player that looked after himself and got a lot out of his career - so there are clearly other reasons why he may not be a bad signing.
     
  17. Garibaldi11

    Garibaldi11 Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Just imagine if Ravel can get anywhere near what we all thought he could have achieved. What an opportunity. Better late than never.

     
  18. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    On the other hand, we've said that a few hundred times now. I can't bring myself to expect anything at all.
     
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  19. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Noah Ohio said his goodbye to Man City on Insta tonight, ahead of his expected Leipzig move.
     
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  20. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    I expect Morrison will probably have an OK season with numerous flashes of genius, the fans will like him, but his off-field stuff will prove too much of a pain in the arse for the club to keep him around.
     
  21. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    Harwood-Bellis and Doyle start for City.
     
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  22. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
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  23. ADM99

    ADM99 Member

    Apr 28, 2019
    Gomes had a wonderful second half. So good with the ball at his feet.
     
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  24. Garibaldi11

    Garibaldi11 Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Couple of things on Spurs.



    In: Tanganga, Marsh, Skipp, Bowden, Lyons-Foster, White
    Not : Onomah, Edwards and then other ones like Austin, Sterling, Eyoma, Oakley-Boothe, Hinds, Maghoma, Markanday
    [Binks, Walcott, Cirkin to watch]

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  25. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
     
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