And yet Juve has won far more domestically and internationally. That's having pedigree. That's great and all, you want to call them a big club, go right ahead.
You're missing the point regarding these players. You argued that the smaller clubs can't compete financially with Juve. That's undercut when you think of a Pirlo that went on a free; or Pogba; or Coman, etc.
Conte walked out the door in part because Marrotta and co. blocked the move. If Marrotta wanted Iturbe, the transfer would have gone through. Though I am a fan of Conte (even though that's unpopular on this board these days), Marrotta got yet another one right, and Conte was clearly mistaken there. The point is that it was yet another good decision by Juve management; and another example of poor personnel decisions by the Roma management. If we look at the respective clubs' management decisions, it explains a lot about why Juve have had the better track record in recent years.
Manolas took down Tolisso, should have been a pk. Will be interesting to see if it has any implications in the 2nd leg.
I do not think Ajax is a big club. You are right, Ajax have won much more silverware than Arsenal. Having a pedigree is not the sole componant of a big club. It is part of it but not all. Steaua Bucherest have won more than Arsenal domestically and internationally. No one thinks they are a big club. Okay.
No my argument is mostly with Roma and the southern clubs can't win and never do. It wouldn't have mattered anyway because even if Pirlo and Pogba went to Roma free of charge , (which would have never happened) they will never have won the scudetto. Anyone who knows the game not to mention the history of the Serie A will tell you that.
You're not going to win the first season that you make good personnel decisions. Look at Juve's transfer market in recent seasons. The following are players that clubs outside the big three could have gotten when you look at the transfer fees: Pjaca, Lemina, Cuadrado, Benatia, D. Alves, Mandzukic, Morata, Rugani, Coman, Tevez, Berardi, Llorente, Asamoah, Pogba, Vidal, Pirlo, Barzagli, Lichsteiner. I don't know what to tell you if you don't think Roma, Napoli, etc. couldn't have one if they made a fraction of these moves.
lol @ Roma and Napoli keep buying those foreign defenders and we'll stick with our Muro Italiana and win.
Its been taking Roma how many years to win? They are always second best and nothing else. They couldn't even do it with a depleted Juventus or a Juve in Serie B not to mention all the calciopoli points deductions. Same goes for Lazio and Napoli and this is their goal and what they are content with. Forget about them ever winning the scudetto. It will take an almost miracle for it to happen. Napoli would need another Maradona, Lazio another torrential downpour in Perugia and Roma another Batigol. Scordatelo, perche non succederà....
How is Arsenal a Big Club and Ajax is not? There is no comparison in their history, they have a great facility in the ArenA, and a big, devoted fanbase.
The most simplest way is to look at it, is to see what calibre of player that either club can attract and buy. Arsenal can buy and attract top players. Ajax can not. We have already established that Ajax has won more trophies than Arsenal but that is where the favourable comparisons for Ajax end. Arsenal also have great facilities, a bigger stadium, greater attendences, vastly more revenue and spending ability and Arsenal has much more fans than Ajax. Arsenal have one biggest fanbases in the world. Easily top ten and possibly top five.
So do Spurs. Are they a top club? Is Liverpool? Personally, I think winning has to be factored in. In fact Forest have won more European trophies than Arsenal. Pool has at least won titles and Euro trophies, although they ARE ZERO FOR THE PREM (long may it continue!) I have tons of Arse fans who don't think they are a big club because they don't act like one and don't win like one.
Winning is factored in, it is just that it is not the only thing that has to be factored in. It is a combination of things such as size of the fan base, revenue, recent performances etc etc.
Maybe so, but here's a story about Ajax from a Feyenoord fan. Years ago Ajaxhad a Euro match against Roma and the Roma board treated Ajax with a humiliating arrogance. So the Ajax board as furious and decided a payback. After the return match the Roma board members were treated with a dinner. The table was set up in the trophy room and arranged in such a way the Roma board had to look at all the Euro trophies of Ajax. The message to Roma was clear: "Who the f..k do you think you are"
LaCazette's goal celebration goes viral: http://www.espnfc.us/blog/the-toe-p...ette-celebration-goes-viral-as-lyon-beat-roma
What do you guys think of Zico? My uncle rated Zico and Platini over Maradona..... From my own research on players in terms of ability he seems to be on that horseman level like Pele, Maradona, Platini, and Cruyff however it seems like he didnt lead his teams to much success unlike the names listed before.
LOL! I notice there hasn't been any complaining from Naples about these calls: http://www.football-italia.net/99618/crotone-‘referee-cost-us-napoli’
You need to do 2 things, 1 add Baggio and Ronaldo (Brazilian), 2 separate by strikers and midfielders. Then you can get a clearer picture.
Zico was an incredible player. He scored some spectacular goals when he was at Udinese. It was sad that he only played 2 seasons in Italy.