News: The Official Vlatko Andonovski Thread

Discussion in 'USA Women: News and Analysis' started by McSkillz, Oct 24, 2019.

  1. Mills

    Mills Member

    Aug 23, 2019
    Tony G. saved Ellis' butt IMO with his defensive prowess.
    The great thing about Vlatko is that he has a wonderful defensive mind.

    I think the most important thing for him will be picking the right mix of players, and he'll certainly need some help doing that.
     
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  2. Cannons

    Cannons Member+

    May 16, 2005
    Well his first game is coming up too fast for him to make many changes. After that, I hope and expect him to start a youth movement. I want to see many new faces from the youth teams. We are flat out too old to keep going. My major concern is that if he is strong enough to stop calling in past stars after the next game? Even lilly had to be turned away at a point and I think Lloyd and yes, Pino are also on the far side of the mountain too. Morgan has to be replaced with her prego condition too and im not sure who will do that. Press is hot n cold.

    Heath should be done too
     
  3. MRAD12

    MRAD12 Member+

    Jun 10, 2004
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    He is coming from a totally different mind set than Jill, IMO.

    Vlatko is not from the Jill Ellis, April Heinrichs "Circle of Friends".

    It will be interesting what he does and how he goes about it.
     
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  4. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #29 cpthomas, Oct 25, 2019
    Last edited: Oct 25, 2019
    I think Vlatko gets a full cycle. He should, the Olympics and early friendlies simply aren't that important in the grand scheme of things. Read some of what Ellis said about how dumb it is to get all excited about results too early in the four-year cycle. This is particularly true if there's going to be a need to bring in a significant number of younger players. It will take the full cycle to see which ones are going to pan out and then give them enough playing time to be fully functional as a group at the 2023 World Cup. Remember, the US just did something that's only been done once before (by Germany), which is to win the Cup twice in a row. No country ever has done it three times.

    I don't believe Dorrance was fired, and I don't think that's what the poster meant. I think he stepped down.

    And I don't think others on the coaching staff "saved" Ellis. She brought them on board and they worked as a team; and she was smart enough to do it that way.
     
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  5. Smallchief

    Smallchief Member+

    Oct 27, 2012
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    #30 Smallchief, Oct 25, 2019
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    Not everybody agrees that the Macedonians were Greek. See the famous Athenian orator, Demosthenes, talking about Philip, the father of Alexander: "He is not only no Greek, nor related to the Greeks, but not even a barbarian from any place that can be named with honor, but a pestilent knave from Macedonia, whence it was never yet possible to buy a decent slave."

    True, Philip and Alexander united the Greek city states -- but a lot of the Greeks, and probably the majority, were not happy about being conquered by the Macedonians.

    To my mind, Alexander was, for all practical purposes, Greek. Maybe Philip, his father, was not. Demosthenes reminds me of the White Nationalists in the present day U.S. who deny that a large portion of our population are "real Americans."

    But if Philip wasn't Greek, he wasn't Slavic either -- because the Slavs as a historical people didn't exist in the 4th century BC.
     
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  6. Mills

    Mills Member

    Aug 23, 2019
    Yes, this!
    I can't imagine any peoples ever happy about being conquered, and the Greeks, who were and are known to be independent thinkers probably hated the idea of uniting under one ruler.
    I always say, Greeks didn't invent democracy, it came about as a natural consequence of the fact that they all have different opinions. If you put 100 Greek senators in a hall, you'll have 100 different opinions.
    It's why, till this day, Greece has like 27 parties on their voting ballots, instead of the 2-3 we see here in the good ol' USA.
     
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  7. zdravstvuyte

    zdravstvuyte Member

    Aston Villa
    United States
    Jul 26, 2018
    Back on tour !!!
    Got this in the mail today.

    [​IMG]
     
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  8. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    If you're going, maybe we could generate a list of questions for you to ask.
     
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  9. zdravstvuyte

    zdravstvuyte Member

    Aston Villa
    United States
    Jul 26, 2018
    Back on tour !!!
    Not going Tim... I’ll be working in Cleveland till Wednesday.
     
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  10. McSkillz

    McSkillz Member+

    ANGEL CITY FC, UCLA BRUINS
    United States
    Nov 22, 2014
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    whose in New York that week in here, anybody from that area? I don't think I noted anyone from here regulars, that is, that is from the New York area.
     
  11. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That wasn't a clear post, but as cpthomas said, Dorrance wasn't fired. He decided to step down to spend more time with his UNC team and time with family. He also pretty much got to name his successor, Dicicco (who had been his goalkeeper/assistant coach).
     
  12. Smallchief

    Smallchief Member+

    Oct 27, 2012
    Club:
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    I've been in northern Greece and Macedonia -- and been subjected to barrages of opinion about the burning question of whether Alexander the Great was Greek or not.

    Americans shrug off history; for Europeans, and maybe especially the people in the Balkans, history is urgent and important, even though Alexander was born 2,375 years ago.

    Anyway, Vlatko should avoid saying the word "Alexander" because any use of the word will offend somebody. (I exaggerate, but only a little.)
     
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  13. McSkillz

    McSkillz Member+

    ANGEL CITY FC, UCLA BRUINS
    United States
    Nov 22, 2014
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What about Alexandra?
     
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  14. kolabear

    kolabear Member+

    Nov 10, 2006
    los angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fair enough, I suppose, but then why should anyone bother to have an opinion on hiring anyone, unless they've coached a national team before?
    By logical extension, we should only hire people who've coached a national team before but how do you get to coach a national team if you've never coached one before? Which only shows how frustrating a point you made in the first place.
     
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  15. JanBalk

    JanBalk Member+

    Jun 9, 2004
    Let them start with a UNT-team, basicly the same skill set needed as for a full WNT.

    If they good at Club-level and UNT-level they are good enough to try for full NT.
     
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  16. kolabear

    kolabear Member+

    Nov 10, 2006
    los angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's a thought, but I don't think it's practical. I don't see how the Federation can ask an NWSL head coach to go back to a youth team. At NWSL, they're already coaching senior national team players.

    It seems ideal to have a coach with both professional club experience and international but in reality there seems to be two different, disparate, paths to becoming national team coach. It would also severely limit the candidate pool to expect them to have experience in both.

    Not sure about Sweden or Europe generally but in the US that would limit the candidate pool to zero, wouldn't it? That may go for past as well as present
     
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  17. Mills

    Mills Member

    Aug 23, 2019
    I think a scenario where someone coaches as an assistant for a couple years might work, but I'm with you on needing to prove yourself on that front to begin with.
     
  18. JanBalk

    JanBalk Member+

    Jun 9, 2004
    Coaching a UNT isn't really a full-time job, buy could be hard to do with at the same time as the current NWSL-schedule.
    In US possible but not here, realy. As example our current WNT Coach:
    1993–1995 Upsala IF men
    1996 BKV Norrtälje men
    1997–1998 Bälinge IF women
    2000–2002 Enköpings SK (assistant coach) men
    2002–2004 Sweden U16/U17 UMNT
    2005–2008 Helsingborgs IF (assistant coach) men
    2009–2016 BK Häcken men
    2017– Sweden Women
    A bit light on the women coaching, but the was the best two years in Bälinge history.
    Well the most recent Swedish WNT coaches (and I think the ones before them and most MNT ones to) did some years coaching UNT when they was fairly new at coaching, normaly after some years as head coaches in the lower levels or assiting at top level but before geting head coach positions at the top tier.
    It is lacking from Pia Sundhages English Wikipedia but she did coach Swedish UNTs (as the same time as clubs) before moving to assistant club coach job in the US. The Swedish Wikipedia have them but do not have which years she did it.

    It may be a bit harder with a bigger country (area wise) and a more clannish National soccer federation.
     
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  19. kolabear

    kolabear Member+

    Nov 10, 2006
    los angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Questions such as?
    Are you going to play this guy?! or that guy?!
    (tee-hee!)
     
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  20. kolabear

    kolabear Member+

    Nov 10, 2006
    los angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The lesson here is that the added variable of coaching both men's and women's teams expands the possibility of getting a mix of club and international experience in your resume. It's an interesting point.
     
  21. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    Lil retired repeatedly, and kept getting called back; the powers that be wanted her showing the young'uns what it takes. Her extended career was not a matter of her ambitions but her loyalty for several years there...
     
  22. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    Thing is, the Macedonians spoke Greek, or a dialect thereof-- Greeks could understand them, where the very word "barbarians"--taken from the Greek-- literally means "people who make incomprehensible noises."

    But Macedonians were a decidedly inferior, insignificant form of ersatz Greeks-- rather like Irish immigrants in the US in the 19th century.
     
  23. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Funny, but no. I think I would need a one-on-one interview, rather than a press conference.

    Two areas I would like to explore:

    The structural. How the new coach sees his role, his relationship with Kate Markgraf, how much he will (or will not) be involved with the pro teams, the U-teams, the college teams, the development academies, scouting US players overseas, etc. Does he have a broad vision of his role, or will he focus more narrowly on the WNT and the Olympics (and the distant World Cup)?

    The coming storm. Oft discussed is whether the WNT should aspire to a higher level of play. Higher than two World Cup Championships in a row, some might ask. But yes. How can we maintain our current advantages while promoting advancements in technical and tactical ability, at every level of the women's game in the US?
     
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  24. jackdoggy

    jackdoggy Member+

    May 16, 2014
    Big D
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No matter - McSkillz will remain behind the curtain.....pulling the strings.
     
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  25. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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