The Nitty Gritty

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  1. gauchodan

    gauchodan Member+

    Oct 18, 2016
    While my Tournament Projection is fun to play with, you should know that the NCAA digs deeper than that! Today, I've been tracking the teams around the arbitrary cut line of 37/38. How do they rank in some other criteria that the Selection Committee has access to?

    LAST 10 GAMES
    1. Pacific (6-3-1)
    2. Charlotte (5-2-3)
    3. NC State (5-2-3)
    4. California (6-4-0)
    5. UMass Lowell (6-4-0)
    6. Washington (5-4-1)
    7. Rhode Island (5-4-1)
    8. Portland (5-4-1)
    9. South Florida (3-3-4)
    10. Elon (4-5-1)
    11. UNCW (4-6-0)
    vs. TOP 25 (ranked by points)
    1. NC State (2-4-1)
    2. UNCW (2-2-0)
    3. UMass Lowell (2-2-0)
    4. Charlotte (1-3-1)
    5. Pacific (1-0-0)
    6. Portland (1-1-0)
    7. South Florida (0-3-2)
    8. Washington (0-2-1)
    9. Rhode Island (0-3-1)
    10. California (0-2-0)
    11. Elon (0-2-0)
    vs. TOP 50 (ranked by points)
    1. NC State (4-5-2)
    2. UNCW (4-4-0)
    3. California (3-3-0)
    4. Portland (3-3-0)
    5. Washington (2-3-1)
    6. UMass Lowell (2-4-0)
    7. Charlotte (1-5-3)
    8. Pacific (1-2-0)
    9. Elon (0-4-3)
    10. South Florida (0-3-2)
    11. Rhode Island (0-5-1)
    VS. BELOW 150 (ranked by W-L-D%, least number of games)
    1. Portland (1-0-0)
    2. California (2-0-0)
    3. Pacific (2-0-0)
    4. South Florida (2-0-0)
    5. Charlotte (3-0-0)
    6. Washington (3-0-0)
    7. Elon (3-0-0)
    8. Rhode Island (4-0-0)
    9. UNCW (6-0-0)
    10. NC State (4-0-1)
    11. UMass Lowell (2-1-0)
    ROAD (ranked by points)
    1. Pacific (5-4-1)
    2. UNCW (5-4-0)
    3. Rhode Island (4-3-3)
    4. California (4-3-0)
    5. Washington (3-3-1)
    6. UMass Lowell (3-6-0)
    7. Elon (2-4-2)
    8. NC State (2-3-1)
    9. Portland (2-4-1)
    10. Charlotte (1-3-3)
    11. South Florida (1-3-2)
    AVERAGE RPI WIN
    1. Portland (88)
    2. California (98)
    3. Pacific (103)
    4. NC State (105)
    5. UMass Lowell (106)
    6. South Florida (107)
    7. Charlotte (109)
    8. UNCW (111)
    9. Washington (114)
    10. Elon (122)
    11. Rhode Island (128)
    AVERAGE RPI LOSS
    1. NC State (14)
    2. Charlotte (18)
    3. Elon (31)
    4. Rhode Island (35)
    5. California (44)
    6. South Florida (46)
    7. UNCW (49)
    8. UMass Lowell (56)
    9. Washington (58)
    10. Portland (67)
    11. Pacific (80)
     
  2. gauchodan

    gauchodan Member+

    Oct 18, 2016
    I added up the rankings of these 7 criteria, and superimposed them on the current RPI ranking order:

    32 Charlotte 4
    33 California 2
    35 Pacific 3
    36 UNCW 6
    37 Washington 8
    38 UMass Lowell 7
    39 Rhode Island 9
    40 Portland 5
    41 Elon 11
    44 South Florida 9
    45 NC State 1

    The one team that really jumps out is NC State. I think the Committee reaches down and grabs them. If they do, one of the top 5 gets snubbed. The top candidate to miss is Washington.

    Portland fares well, but probably not well enough to leap into the field. If the Committee is giving a Western discount...and the western teams seem to do very good in these criteria, perhaps the Committee swaps in Portland and swaps out UNCW. But I'm guessing no.

    I'm going with a straight Projection, with the exception that Washington is bumped for NC State. The ACC gets 9. Let the howling begin.
     
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  3. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Wisconsin has a message for this year's Selection Committee:

    Booya!
     
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  4. theatric7

    theatric7 Member

    Nov 12, 2011
    While I think NC State is the most likely team to win a first round game out of all of those teams, I wonder if the committee is willing to reach that far down to put them through. If I recall correctly, last year they were on the outside of the bubble RPI-wise, but was seen favorably by the committee and put them in. I'm wondering if they are willing to do that two years in a row.
     
  5. theatric7

    theatric7 Member

    Nov 12, 2011
    Scratch that, it wasn't NC state that got in last year. I might have been thinking about BC.
     
  6. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    NC State was 5-12-0 last year
     
  7. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    I think Washington gets in because they can play Seattle and that saves the NCAA money on travel costs.

    I am not joking. Sadly.

    Travel costs can get you to figure out a lot of the likely matchups outside of the Eastern Time Zone, where only 14 teams will likely make the NCAA Tournament.

    No. 11 Stanford gets a bye.

    No. 17 SMU leapfrogs 16. Dartmouth and gets a bye.

    Cal will play either San Francisco or Pacific. Whomever doesn’t play Cal will play Fullerton.

    Washington will play Seattle.

    Air Force will play Omaha. Lipscomb gets Central Arkansas.

    Wisconsin, in a match-up that would make our old friend Old Guy FC both smile and cringe, will play UIC.

    Just a guess, but that's based on years of precedent.
     
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  8. bhoys

    bhoys Member+

    Aug 21, 2011
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Interesting ... it never occurred to me that the NCAA payed for the travel of the teams to the NCAA tournaments. So I looked for more info on this, and came across this page, which was also interesting: http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/finances/championships-finances
     
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  9. JoeSoccerFan

    JoeSoccerFan Member+

    Aug 11, 2000
    I was thinking the same thing. Tim is rooting for JT and the Badgers. Sorry, Sean.
     
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  10. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Explains a lot. Dollars, namely travel costs, have a big influence on the competitive side.

    That's why I'll be stunned if Seattle doesn't play Washington. I mean, they could pay for a bus for an 8-mile round trip. OR... fly and house a team to and from (or from and to) Seattle.

    Easy math.
     
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  11. boxcar123

    boxcar123 Member

    Nov 15, 2012
    I agree on Washington getting in now because Seattle won the WAC. However I don't think that Lipscomb would be high enough for them to be a host for Central Arkansas.

    Presbyterian goes to Coastal and then the winner goes to Clemson?

    Mercer goes to FIU

    Lipscomb goes to Old Dominion

    Fairfield goes to UMass
     
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  12. theatric7

    theatric7 Member

    Nov 12, 2011
    And the snub of the year goes to #32 Charlotte. #45 NC state makes it in.
     
  13. gauchodan

    gauchodan Member+

    Oct 18, 2016
    NC State in, Charlotte out. I identified the team below the line that would make it...didn't think Charlotte had anything to worry about. Perhaps Sandon's "Washington" theory held sway.
     
  14. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Wow.

    Runner-up in a strong conference. Tough for Charlotte. State does have some good wins, though.
     
  15. stphnsn

    stphnsn Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    ugh. #2 IU potentially draws an ACC team in the second round. ouch.
     
  16. gauchodan

    gauchodan Member+

    Oct 18, 2016
    NC State's road success may have gotten them in...except for Rhody, this was highly predictive.

    Rhode Island = .5743 (28) OUT
    California = .5624 (37)
    Washington = .5566 (39)
    UNCW = .5455 (43)
    NC State = .5338 (50)
    Pacific = .5145 (60)
    Elon = .4747 (93) OUT
    Charlotte = .4654 (101) OUT
    South Florida = .4592 (107) OUT
    UMass Lowell = .4318 (131) OUT
    Portland = .4105 (142) OUT
     
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  17. OverseasView

    OverseasView Member+

    Olympique Lyonnais
    France
    Feb 3, 2013
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Air Force will fly to Virginia. Well... we can imagine they can get access to cheap air travel? :rolleyes:
     
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