The Jonathan Gonzalez Thread

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by TheFalseNine, Dec 14, 2017.

  1. STR1

    STR1 Member

    May 29, 2010
    McAllen, TX
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Since you know them personally, can you elaborate on how USSF screwed up royally? Was it really because he wasn't called in for the Portugal friendly that cause him to switch?
     
  2. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Oki, J-pan
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who cares. He is no longer a US player, lets all move on.
     
  3. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    Shouldn’t we try to learn from our mistakes so as not to repeat them?
     
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  4. STR1

    STR1 Member

    May 29, 2010
    McAllen, TX
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    First you have to find out what was the mistake to learn from it, no? Was not visiting a household to say you are interested a mistake? Or not calling in a player to a friendly a mistake? Just need to find out what was really the 'mistake' that was done.
     
  5. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 4, 2017
    There is an interview with Sarachan where he said he wasn't ready. From last January or February.
     
  6. Golazo69

    Golazo69 Member

    Aug 2, 2017
    Like I said, it’s a multitude of things. Imo it all started with us soccer attempting to pressure him not to sign with a club in Mexico, when they were clearly the clubs most ready to give him a chance, and the clubs where he could break through the quickest. His development would have been stunted in the us, and his parents don’t live super close to any huge youth clubs or mls academies out in Santa Rosa. He was always an important player for the youth teams, but it certainly seemed like he was denied chances in favor of inferior players on more than one occasion. Rongen lying certainly didn’t help matters, and he did lie. Jonas dad has always had the same story, and it seems like rongen and the ussf have changed theirs at least two or three times. Not calling him into the friendly certainly hurt, but it was an issue that us soccer had been creating for years, so they really have no one to blame but themselves.

    My final take: jona would have loved to play for the USMNT, I know he was close friends with a lot of the guys on the youth teams growing up. His family was open to it, he had been brought up in the system, etc. but at the end of the day, it’s tough to blame him for choosing the best route for his professional career. A World Cup bound team with plenty of talent, or a team in disarray, that couldn’t qualify, and clearly cared more about other players? Not that tough of a choice
     
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  7. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe Dave Sarachan is a brilliant coach and a genius at talent evaluation, though... ever consider that??
     
  8. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    So the issue with Monterrey is new twist and interesting to hear.
    I know that the USSF is in general not allowing transfers of minors to Mexican clubs. This is a change from, say, ten years ago. In reality, FIFA does not want any transfers of minors across countries. It's supposed to be only allowed where both the team and the player are living 50km from the border. So yeah, this is USSF enforcing a FIFA rule. The issue has been that when you start enforcing a rule after years of winking at it there is going to be pushback.
     
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  9. #8or#6

    #8or#6 Red Card

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 15, 2017
    I don't think most intelligent BS members blame Jonathon for making a choice he and his family believe is in his best interest. The concern is if USSF did enough to convince him to play for his birth country, and whether or not USSF has been forthright and open about those encounters.
     
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  10. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    I seriously can't remember one time since early 2017 where Adams was not considered by at least some as the best prospect outside of Pulisic.
     
  11. wixson7

    wixson7 Member+

    May 12, 2009
    boulder
    No...we should keep threads going for hundreds of pages.
     
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  12. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I think at least one person already has.

    Worth noting that Tab Ramos personally visited with dual-nationals Uly Llanez and Alex Mendez of the Galaxy academy. [We dont' know what they talked about, but one can guess he visited to assure the players that they were in our plans.] Both played an important role in the US U20s championship at the recent U20 CONCACAF Championships. So that criticism about Mexico putting forth that little bit of extra effort that the USMNT/USYNTs didn't...……………...has been corrected.

    Worth noting that the guy who recruited Gonzalez away from the USYNTs to Mexico...…………….is in the running for the Galaxy Director of Soccer Operations position. Dennis te Kloese. Would be a really interesting hire away from the FMF :)
     
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  13. #8or#6

    #8or#6 Red Card

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 15, 2017
    I not going to stand up and applaud Tab for doing what he should have done. Our expectations for proper behavior of coaches under the USSF umbrella are really low if you think we should.
    Again, nowhere near something to cheer about. It's not a 'hire away from the FMF' it's the free market behaving normally.
     
  14. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There are no guarantees that he won't still be sending kids to Mexico NT.
     
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  15. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 4, 2017
    On the Scuffed podcast (everyone should be listening to it), Tab said he has talked directly to Mendez about playing for the USA or Mexico. He further stated that he has no doubt he is committed to the USA. Tab said the recent quotes were based on the way the question was framed. Kind of like when they ask players on ICC tours if they would like to play in the USA; of course they will say "sure, maybe one day".
     
  16. frankburgers

    frankburgers Member+

    May 31, 2016
    @Excellency interesting year for gonzalez and adams...
     
  17. Honore de Ballsac

    Oct 28, 2005
    France.
    Just what I was thinking. Look at what's been going on with prestigious universities and the likes of Jorge Salcedo. Now think "Mexican Fed and the Galaxy." Yeesh. Dennis te Kloese could be better positioned now for a lucrative side gig. And the Galaxy is strategically positioning their brand by celebrating their kids opting for Mexico, as well as the U.S.
     
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  18. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Is there any evidence Gonzalez would've turned down a WCQing cap from Arena? Seems JG switched after we had gotten knocked out. Can't blame him for going with the better chance of making the WC.

    Also gotta write that the emergence of Adams, Sands, Durkin, and Canouse makes this situation a whole lot less interesting.
     
  19. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And Pomykal.
     
  20. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    I was just thinking of the emerging d-mids.

    Pomykal and Pulisic cover the loss of Alvarez.
     
  21. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The CM position will be crowded.
     
  22. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's because the right back gets in their way...
     
  23. Eighteen Alpha

    Eighteen Alpha Member+

    Aug 17, 2016
    Club:
    Stoke City FC
  24. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    Seriously. There is more money for MLS/SUM in developing players for the Mex NT than U.S.

    MexFan is a *huge* untapped market for MLS. And, listen to Garber's interview w/ Grant Wahl, he doesn't give a fuc k about developing players for the USMNT.
     
  25. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    I've said it before, I'm all for calling up duelies who are not quite ready, but look like they may develop into a useful player.

    Call them up as the last player on the roster. When the game is no longer in doubt, get them in and captie them.

    The player knows what's up - why they're being called in. The parents know what's up, why they're being called in. They are free to decline the call up if they are undecided. If they decline, then that gives us an idea of what kind of resources to put into their development. It's a pretty straightforward situation.
     
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