The Fire Jim Curtin Thread [MERGED]

I saw this... aside from a more aggressive high press style how different can Ernst plan be without any money?

 

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2018...ia-union-head-coach-jim-curtin-agree-new-deal

The money that the club has spent in the last few years has been sufficient to build a solid team. The problem has been that the prior TD's have not spent that money well at all. Peter Vermes doesn't get Atlanta money and he has made SKC a perennial contender. NYRB have been good for years and this was the first year they dropped more money than the Union typically has when they signed Kaku (I'm talking since the Henry days, so 2015 on). Columbus under Berhalter has been consistently good except for that strange year in 2016 and they don't blow the bank on players.

You can build good teams, just not when your DP or TAM players don't live up to the billing. This year we were good because both DP's played well and we got some other production. Now if our big TAM player (Accam) had done anything we probably would have had a home playoff game. We can talk about the big spending of teams like Atlanta, TFC, LAFC, and the Galaxy but the truth is only one of them are still in the playoffs and Atlanta lost the shield to the Red Bulls. If Tanner does his job he can build a good team with the resources available. That is the big if though.

 

There's so much not 100% right here.

Let's start with "big spenders", yes, we're down to 4 teams so naturally somebody lost. You gloss over that TFC is out, so their faith in spending is obviously misplaced as they polish their 2017 MLS Championship. Atlanta lost the shield on the last day of the season and could still win the Cup, which actually invalidates the point I think youre making (poor teams win, maybe we can too!?).

You lay the blame of a 6th place finish at Accam's feet? What if Curtin drops CJ for Burke or Simpson much earlier? Do we win 3rd? Are we still in it? He stayed with a losing hand without even subbing him out for weeks of futility.

"This year we were good because both DP's played well and we got some other production" - What? Dockal did play great after that first 4-6 weeks of adjusting. I'm still not sure what to make of Bedoya. There are games when he plays like being this team's captain is everything, and then you look at him in the Cup final or the last few weeks of the season and question why he's on the field.

"The money that the club has spent in the last few years has been sufficient to build a solid team. The problem has been that the prior TD's have not spent that money well at all." - Prior TDs? Earnie has been the only one in that position. They have not spent enough to be a solid team. They have spent as little over the cap and league allocation as fiscally possible. "Spend" where they reach into an actual wallet for funds to improve the team has been $0.00. Instead they'll point to the amazing grass fields in Lot B and say these didnt build themselves. Have you seen our machine shed/workout space? Pretty sweet! Budgetary #s without transactions fees or FO investments are incomplete analysis at best, and pushing company propaganda at worst.

 

Picked a great year not to renew. This year was their ceiling under Curtin.

 

Jim Curtin is currently the 59th best coach in MLS history (out of 119 total coaches).

Behind such luminaries as Martin Rennie, Jeff Cassar, Jay Heaps, and Thomas Rongen and slightly ahead of John Hackworth and Ben Olsen.

 

Behind Rongen? By what standard is Rongen ranked in the top 50%.

 

Did you click the link? Rongen's PPG (1.317) is ahead of Curtin's (1.286).

 

But are we sure he coached those games, or did he just tell his boss he coached those games and go to Buffalo Wild Wings instead?

 

Of course I didn't click the link!

But subtract his first year with DCU (inheriting Arena's team) and he has been awful. The Union has never had talent like Etcheverry, J. Moreno, and Pope.

 

This'll never happen...................but David Wagner is available............just saying.........

http://www.espn.com/soccer/huddersf...-manager-david-wagner-with-team-in-last-place

 

...a break from the "rigours of football management"... Yup sounds like the Union would be the perfect gig to me.

 

So it's not warming up but it's do or die time since he's on a one year deal? Why only give him one year? Why not extend him 3 more? That would really take the pressure off.

 

My fault. I didn't read good.

 

Keeping Jim and moving Keegan is another example of my theory that this is just a transition/punting year that they refuse to admit to. (at least this is my hope)

Ernst can have Jim-jim play the kids so he can evaluate the talent of them over the course of a full season with substantial minutes under their belt... he can determine who can hang and who can't at the MLS level... meanwhile on the coaching front he can start to lineup candidates Jim's replacement... Playing the kids without any big-time veteran reinforcements will result in another losing season, so Ernst has an even easier out to fire Curtin... then he can go into 2020, bring in his choice of coach and bolster the lineup in spots where the kids aren't up to snuff... plus he'll clear even more cap/budget space with the possible departures of pretty much every existing vet we have on the roster for 2019.

If 2020 isn't the "big splash" and/or "go for it" year than we will never see one.