The Fire Jim Curtin Thread [MERGED]

Jim Curtin has earned 198 points in 154 MLS matches with the Philadelphia Union (more than Nowak and Hackworth combined).

Year: W - L - T (PPG) - GF/GA
2014: 7 - 5 - 6 (1.5) - 29/24
2015: 10 - 17 - 7 (1.09) - 42/55
2016: 11 - 14 - 9 (1.24) - 52/55
2017: 11 - 14 - 9 (1.24) - 50/47
2018: 15 - 14 - 5 (1.47) - 49/50
Total: 54 - 64 - 36 (1.29) - 222/231

Curtin's first 11 matches:
6 - 2 - 3 (1.91 PPG)

Curtin's last 143 matches:
48 - 62 - 33 (1.24 PPG)

John Hackworth earned 89 points in 73 matches: 23 - 30 - 20 (1.22 PPG)
Peter Nowak earned 87 points in 75 matches: 21 - 30 - 24 (1.16 PPG)

 

Yet another big game failure.

 

Paging Dr. Heimlich...

 

Bye bye

 

I can’t come up with any defense that isn’t lame as shit.

I know the defense will be “best season ever” ... but that is as previously noted.. lame as shit,


They need to announce tomorrow his contract will not be renewed. It’s not all his fault, but he CAN NOT come back.

 

Yes, it was the "best season EVAR!" and that will probably be the FO's justification for keeping Curtin. However, the fact remains that under his tenure, we have had arguably the most talented rosters (on paper at least) and we still have ZERO playoff wins and ZERO open cup wins.

Some people have tried to argue with me about the Open Cup Finals, saying that "Hey, he got us there, not a lot of teams have done that."

True, but not a lot of MLS teams take the Open Cup seriously, one of the reasons the Union utterly throw themselves into it is because deep down, the players, the coaches, the ownership know that this team can't compete against the likes of the league's top tier teams in the playoffs.

I've met Jim Curtin several times, he's a very nice guy and I WANT him to succeed. But we're pretty much at the Andy Reid part of his career. He's done pretty much all he's gonna do with us. He's not going to get this team over the hump, he's just not. For those who argue that "He's done great with what he's had," New York Red Bulls won the Supporter's Shield and spend roughly $700K less on player salaries than we do. Coaching matters folks. Coaching is what gets the most out of what you have. We all want ownership to spend more on players, but that's not going to happen so they need to get smarter with other moves.

Jim, you're a nice guy but it's time the Union and you move on from each other.

 

Curtin isn't the guy but no coach would be able to succeed with our poor ownership team. Just have to keep hoping Sugarman cashes out soon so we have hope going forward.

 

I think another coach could get more out of this team.

I think even with the lack of transfer budgets (honestly stop using salary as a metric in a single entity) you can build a competitive team with MLS trades, drafts, loans and frees. Can you do it and win it all? Probably not but it requires a lot of luck in a retreads career year.

We need to invest in the build up of the FO. Albright is the Rob DeNiro version of an MLS intern and it’s not enough for player sourcing. Tanner must replicate what he’s seen in Europe for us to have an edge. Or knives to a musket fight will remain reality.

Sugarman has to stop acting like this is a real estate investment. Expansion fees are not a dividend. He’s making money in spite of himself, not due to great business acumen. The other owners must hate him.

 

I agree with almost everything you said, but it's important to note the advantages the Red Bulls have over us. Yes, their salaries are low, however, they spent $6.5 million(!) to acquire Kaku, they have easy access to players via loan from their sister clubs in Austria and Germany, and they also signed BWP rather than Jay Simpson. They also started their youth system before we properly invested in ours, and are reaping the rewards (which helps keep salaries down).

None of this distracts from the fact that since September 15th the team went 3-5-1 in all competitions with a -4 GD (including a game the we won by 4!).

 

At this point you get a dead cat bounce and I think that's good enough. However, its another year of rebuild so I suspect next year is a slow start.

 

The high tide of the Curtin era was the SKC win before the final. He'd gotten there this year only by taking care of business against more lowly teams, and the occasional surprise against a better one. With MLS playoff format, that was enough to get into postseason.

In the 6 games after SKC, we lost 2 vital games, and could only beat Minnesota. Thrill is gone, Jimbo. Good luck in your next job, we know you will get one somewhere in the league. Maybe Chicago. But it's time to move on.

 

Matt Doyle in Extra Time Radio says “he is hearing it’s getting done” when discussing Curtin’s contract.

 

Wait 'til he brings in his guys!

 

Is it all that surprising that this is the result of a worldwide coaching search?

 

Well, yeah considering that he never holds them accountable for shit, why wouldn't many players want to keep playing for him?

 

I wish the salaries of head coaches were released in the MLS...I would assume the Union's head coach budget is far lower than other teams.

 

I understand the case people make for Jim, but the results aren’t there... you could be best coach in the world, but with that amount of failure during your tenure you still need to be fired.

I made this point on twitter earlier today, but the only reason people argue for him is either because he is coach of a team they don’t care about or because they are doing their best to rationalize the cheapness of the Union.

If a coach of the USMNT had comparable failures people would be up in arms over him still having a job. Case in point Earnie Stewart. Nobody gave two shits that Earnie doesn’t display urgency when he was in charge of the Union, they probably even defended him and made the same excuses for him that we see with Jim now. But now he is with a team more people care about and all the critics are out and on him now that he is calling shots for the USMNT.

 

Exactly the attitude in any sport where the teams don't win the big games.

 

Why is Jim Curtain still the manager? Should have been fired last Thursday. Exactly why i did not re-up.