The European Union News Thread

Discussion in 'International News' started by Nico Limmat, Nov 4, 2009.

  1. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    There's little doubt that most continental Europeans would choose to remain in the EU if asked BUT that situation can't be tested to destruction which is what's being done atm.

    If the position in Greece continues to deteriorate they might well decide to leave at some point.
    I don't think we're going to change the position particularly. I think the actions, (and more to the point, the political narrative), of donny tiny-hands definitely will.

    He's uniting Europe in a way that nothing else can.
     
  2. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    Chicago Red Stars
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    United States
    The problem IMO, is that they want to stay, but they do not want to give more powers to Brussels, and the EU needs more centralization to fix many of its problems.

    But many countries feel giving powers to Brussels = giving power to Germany and the Germans think that giving power to Brussels means they will be forced to give money to the southern Europeans.
     
  3. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    One of the reason the vote wen the 'wrong' way was because older people felt they'd been lied to 40 years ago and wanted the chance to put the matter straight.

    Watch this discussion from the previous discussion from the last referendum in 1975, particularly the part from about 46:30...



    Not just in that discussion but the fact is we were lied to, NOT by the Europeans but by our own leaders. We were constantly told that there was little to no chance of the EEC, (then the EU), becoming a political entity, that despite the fact it was in the original design. We were told it was all about trade and there was little to no significance to any long term aim for a european superstate.

    Also, just while I think about it, this demonstrates what I've been saying all along...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034

    • Ethnicity was crucial in some places, with ethnic minority areas generally more likely to back Remain. However this varied, and in parts of London some Asian populations were more likely to support Leave
    That reflects my own experience when canvassing. Although there was a higher 'remain' vote in areas with ethnic minorities there was a significant proportion of British Asians, (in particular), who were intending to vote leave and actually felt pretty strongly about it.
     
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  4. Antario2

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    Jan 29, 2012
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    AFC Ajax
    If the balance of power shifts from the nation states to Brussels it empowers the smaller nations due to the right of veto and majority requirements. Stronger national governments means the Franco-German bilateral cooperation will dominate EU politics more.

    It's mostly the fear of income transfers, spending constraints and migration that scares many national governments.
     
  5. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
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    TSV 1860 München
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    Germany
    @babaorum
    when you sign a contract but dont intend whatsoever to fulfill it for the next 25 years

    [​IMG]
     
  6. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
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    Le Penn is still polling to lose the election, but she is breaking the 40%.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/frances-...esidential-race-poll-141505057--business.html
     
  7. noSpinFactor

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  8. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
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    Well Germans did vote for a Le Pen type candidate back in the 1930's so they probably try hard to avoid doing that again.
     
  9. noSpinFactor

    noSpinFactor Red Card

    Nov 17, 2016
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    But it's all kumbaya unless/until Germany starts to economically suffer again. Putting myself in the shoes of a German [blew my mind first time visiting as an adult in 2006] why would they question the Post WW2 ideology they adopted as it resulted in steady increase in living standards but for the first time in 75 years [I'll give the reunification of Germany a pass] there seems to be a bit of stagnation for the everyday German. Granted there is still a ways to go before economic hardship. But I remember the conversations I had with Germans in 2006 and being amazed at their gloomy outlook. Everytime I have visited since [roughly every 4 years] there seems to be more problems.
     
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  10. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Sweden it's very different in that regard.
     
  11. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

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    Maybe if you stopped hanging out only with Afd people you may get a variety of answers.

    [​IMG]



    http://www.pewglobal.org/2016/08/09...mixed-as-many-countries-continue-to-struggle/
     
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  12. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    The amazing thing there is that there is still 2% of the Greeks who think their economy is doing well. :D
     
  13. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
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    black market criminal organizations?
     
  14. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    Yeah, probably. I was gonna say, there can't be THAT many Greek shipowners.
     
  15. noSpinFactor

    noSpinFactor Red Card

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    Their economy is good, that doesn't surprise me. When I had these conversations, AfD was far from existing haha.

    The basic convo [2006] went me expressing as someone living in California how impressed I am by Germany and would even argue it's equal if not superior in many life changing worthy aspects. They would react surprised but thankful. Some would remind me it was even better in the West before reunification. But most of them expressed that slowly but steadily everything in German society was decreasing in quality. 11 years later - they were right. Probably could look at recent development with Volkswagon as an example.

    I'm not trying to single out Germany because IMO Western Civilization as a whole is nose diving.
     
  16. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Yet another superb piece of British administration...

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...k-on-campus-as-deportation-threat-still-looms

    So she's a student who will have borrowed a shit-load of money from the state, (i.e. the rest of us), to do her degree, (which is in an area we need), and NOW we're going to deport her just before she finishes so she can't pay any of it back.

    Oh, yes... fecking brilliant :)

    :mad:

    And what possible justification* can there be for doing this? Answer: So we can leave some room for a Bulgarian fella who's gona pick brocolli?

    FFS!!! :mad:


    * And even THAT'S a piss-poor reason.
     
  17. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    Hmm... very interesting. What did they say when they sobered up?
     
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  18. DoyleG

    DoyleG Member+

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    Jan 11, 2002
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    Come on now.

    If you can't let in the broccoli pickers from Bulgaria, then how will you get the women in to do the escort work?
    (DUCKS!!!!)
     
  19. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Get the women to pick the broccoli... simples :)
     
  20. roby

    roby Member+

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    Feb 27, 2005
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    Be careful here...a while back I made what I thought was an amusing but clever post about some buxom Polish lovelies and got dissed by the Golabki Crew! :cautious:
     
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  21. Sandinista

    Sandinista Member+

    Apr 11, 2010
    Buenos Aires
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    Racing Club de Avellaneda
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    Argentina
    Hi, questions from a not so deeply informed poster:

    -Why did Holland denied the turkish ambassador entry to the country?

    -Is Geert Wilders likely (how much so?) to be the next prime minister? (excuse my ignorance, do you have PM or another kind of parlamentarist system of govt.?) Not having a deep knowledge of the country's politics, all we are presented with is that he's an ultra-right islamophobe neo-nazi and not much more. Also, that he's against the EU.

    -Will a Geert Wilders victory boost Marine Le Pen's chances on the oncomings in France (how much so?)? And impact on the Germany and/or any coming election on Europe as well? (What I mean is, is Europe looking and focused on the outcoming of Holland election and could it be a factor for others to follow?) This last one is just to know your opinions, of course, not a factual question. Just to get a sense of the european users living it first hand.
     
  22. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Rotterdam is an already fragile city. That is part of the context.

    [​IMG]
     
  23. Antario2

    Antario2 Member

    Jan 29, 2012
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    The Turkish government wants to hold political rallies in the Netherlands to convince Turkish expats and dual passport holders to vote for a constitutional change in Turkey. The Dutch government was concerned that current tensions in Turkey would spill over to the Turkish community in the Netherlands and forbade any large gatherings in fear of riots. The Turkish minister did not want to abide by the rules set out by the Dutch government and was denied entry. In turn another minister crossed the border secretly from Germany to hold a rally at the Turkish consulate, she was intercepted by the police and send back to Germany.

    Geert Wilders has virtually no chance to become prime minister, and I doubt he really wants to be PM. His party would need an absolute majority, as he won't be able to form a coalition government. Wilders is hard to classify. His voting record is not ultra right wing as his party usually votes along similar lines as the VVD, who are moderate conservative libertarians. The far right/nationalist element is based on his anti Islam and anti-EU position. In fact I think the closest analogy I can find for Wilder's PVV party is Israeli Likud, and Wilders is a big admirer of Sharon. Wilders strong anti-Islam views are influenced by his family origin from Indonesia and his time in Israel and the Middle East.

    It's hard to tell as each country has specific issues and different political systems. Other then a general sense of being able to beat the establishment, I don't see much overlap. Wilders and Le Pen are two very different populists who in their own way have been able to tap into the resentment against the effects of globalization and the failure of the multicultural society concept in western Europe.
     
  24. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
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    TSV 1860 München
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    Germany
    It seems like Germany is now like this close to ban them all the way too.

    When will we get the results from the dutch elecetion?
     
  25. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    A neoliberal core of VVD, CDA and D66 seems likely although just as the last time (2003-2006) tensions on sociocultural issues seem inevitable. It will not go away from the public eye and it is the Achilles heel of such core/coalition.

    In economic policy I don't expect spectacular things to happen. The VVD has some unorthodox 'reforms' that are unacceptable for the other two.

    Those three will not get enough seats, and the question is which one of the left is willing to follow into Labour's footsteps in return for a nice job in Brussels, at an accountancy firm or a bank.
     

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