The Containment Unit: The YA League Comparison Discussion

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by Testudo, Sep 21, 2014.

  1. kruck

    kruck Member+

    Jan 12, 2008
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Obviously most folks who post regularly in YA would like to see MLS sell more players to Europe but the reality is the exact opposite in that MLS has crushed YA with keeping it's players most likely to go/stay in Europe with exceptional wages.

    I don't think it's a realistic expectation MLS becomes a feeder league. I don't think any signs point to that at all.
     
  2. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    Which bring up a conundrum. MLS overpays those players who have done - relatively speaking - well in Europe. Ergo, one must first go to Europe.
     
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  3. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    ^THIS
    even Clarence Goodson came back making like 400-500 K right? i doubt he made over 100 k when he left MLS
     
  4. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Isn't switching employers pretty much how everyone with a job gets more money?
     
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  5. uniteo

    uniteo Member+

    Sep 2, 2000
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Seriously? What part of the financial aspect of MLS is deficient compared to BL2? I guess player wages may still be behind but by other measures the league is pretty strong financially.

    You really think the league can't match BL2 level of play? there's another thread for that can or worms...
     
  6. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    I'd say that -

    1) the $3.7M salary cap isn't conducive to the higher quality soccer

    2) the MLS DP/TAM/pauper structure isn't conducive to the higher quality soccer

    3) poor tactical and technical coaching isn't conducive to the higher quality soccer

    And, B'liga2 is somewhere in the mid/low 20's as a Euro league and ex-MLS players, with a small exception of Edson Buddle, do very poorly there.
     
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  7. eric

    eric Member

    Apr 15, 1999
    cleveland, oh, usa
    Club:
    Sunderland AFC
    Though I doubt anyone will say so publically, my guess is that the short term (10ish years) would be to catch up to LigaMx in quality of play/revenue. LigaMx falls between feeder/buyer league. Very good teams with high quality players bought from S America, with a handful of big sales per year.

    I believe that is doable, though not easy or guaranteed. I still do not know why some team (LAG/DAL?) hasn't opened a checkbook for some youth coaches from Pachuca, Santos, America, Los Rayados. Put one or two in charge of the academy squad and you could have a monster on your hand in a few years.
     
  8. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
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    Liga MX doesn't have free agency, making moves from club to club or from league to league far more difficult. Theirs is closer to the old NFL style.

    As to catching up to Liga MX - IMO, they'll be taking an upward step down there by reworking their "foreign/local player" rules. Historically, those who ended up there played a "Latin" style ball but, from now and onward, there'll be more African and North American players moving in and that will change the style away from the Latin even further. Osorio's style with El Tri is about as European as it was under Svennis but now they have the athletes to fit the style.

    Insofar as Bundesliga2 goes - their share of the TV deal will probably double, bringing an average BL2 revenues from ~ $19M to $25M or so. The payroll increase of ~ $2.5M should reflect that, providing a BL2 with 3-4 more "TAM-like" players per club. For a potential MLS free agent of some skill, this would be a solid opportunity.
     
  9. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    On My Squatty Potty
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Omar-

    “I think it's broadened my horizons,” he told reporters on Tuesday, after Pachuca reconvened for their first training session and a 1-1 exhibition draw with Santos Laguna at Children's Mercy Park. “I'm growing as a player. To be honest, I think with Galaxy, I maybe hit my plateau there. So being in a different league with new players, and a league that is so challenging -- I think it was really important for me to take this next step, and I'm happy that I did it because it is a challenge playing here.

    “I'm learning, and that's the most important part, right? When you're doing something, and you don't feel like you're just coasting. You're struggling a little bit, and the struggle's fun. It makes you be on top of your game. It makes you figure your way out of situations. You test yourself, and you get to see what you're made of.”
     
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  10. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    On My Squatty Potty
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hmm, Brexit might impact the EPL.
     
  11. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    how so? will English players get a chance now?
     
  12. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    On My Squatty Potty
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well I'd assume all these guys on the continent the EPL buys up who just need to show their passports at the border, can no longer do that in the same numbers if this thing passes.

    There's still the exceptional talent clause type thing which Americans have to deal with but that naturally would limit Euros from the continent.

    An EU passport gets you to the EPL, no questions asked. I'd assume with Brexit they now have to meet qualifications as any North or South American would.

    Bundesliga benefits if this were to happen as they have no limits.
     
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  13. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    This would depend on how the FA reacts, as the WP rules are theirs, not the government's. I suspect that once the dust on the general work rights settles, the easiest thing to do is to place a nominal economic value on a possible transfer. I believe it was £10M ($14M-$16M, depending on the exchange rate) before the latest pre-Brexit change. They could lower it to reflect the wishes of the clubs.
     
  14. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    The pound dropped 11% so far. Yup. Wayne Rooney got a major haircut. The plugs were almost not worth it.
     
  15. Streaky Bacon

    Streaky Bacon Member

    Apr 11, 2015
  16. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
  17. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    Ola Kamara

    Austria Wien - 24 matches, 2 goals
    Columbus Crew - 10 matches, 7 goals

    Roland Alberg

    ADO Haag - 8 goals in 2607 minutes (2014-15) - a goal every 325 minutes
    Union - 5 goals in 575 minutes - a goal every 115.
     
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  18. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    On My Squatty Potty
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well if you're watching league leaders Colorado vs defending champs Portland, in this absolutely dreadful affair celebrating this great holiday, it's no surprise a guy coming from loan at Molde, deemed not quality enough for Austria Wien, can impress this much in MLS.
     
  19. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
  20. neems

    neems Member+

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Apr 14, 2009
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Find a league that isn't as superficial as MLS. It's a bad business model to begin with. Watch when it starts to fail...Watch what happens when the market overtakes your ability to manage it. These aren't global professionals working this league.

    It's so far behind that it's comical. I used to think the United States was congruent with open market until our Major Soccer League thought it could compete globally - on a typical American centric sport structure.

    A lot of the decision makers want to "market" more than understand what makes good soccer business in a global market.

    Let's pay more players with name recognition and who are clearly past their most influence stages. Great idea. That helps no young player or national team player. But then MLS has proven it doesn't care about international participation.
     
  21. Giggsy1986

    Giggsy1986 Member+

    Jan 27, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC

    When it comes to being a true professional I don't think we will ever have to worry about Shaq. This is a truly fantastic story, no matter where he ends up his character will not be his professional downfall.

    This is why all of our kids need to go to Europe, it's the only way to learn how to be a true professional.
     
  22. frankburgers

    frankburgers Member

    May 31, 2016
    no. no its not
     
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  23. bballshawn

    bballshawn Member+

    Feb 5, 2014
    Delaware
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    I think it was satire
     
  24. Giggsy1986

    Giggsy1986 Member+

    Jan 27, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Give me a player that has reached the heights of US soccer solely developing in MLS?
     

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