The Avenging DisCo Godfather: The 2017 MLS Discipline Committee Thread

Yes.

Dissent would stop for good in about 4 weeks' time when teams are so depleted due to suspensions that they are forfeiting games.

 

Again, much easier said than done. A lone wolf referee would be excoriated for taking such an approach. If it was being done league-wide, it would be better, but it would definitely get the attention of FIFA and the world soccer media.

 

IIRC PRO has mandated its refs to cut down dissent this season. We'll see what happens, though looks like there is lower tolerance for dissent so far this season

 

Behavior will be adjusted adtue cards keep coming.

You can disagree with a call or discuss something with the referee without coming across as an asshole or showing him up.

 

It's not that hard done either though. As you said, institute a league-wide policy, have all the refs apply it and the problem would go away. I guarantee that the majority of attention it would get from FIFA and the media would be positive, not negative.

Here's my 4 step process for a ref determining if its dissent and should get a card:
1. Is it immediately clear what action I am stopping play for? If no, the player is free to ask.
2. If yes, is the player speaking to me unprovoked? If no, the player is free to politely discuss it
3. If yes, is he the captain? If yes, the player is free to politely discuss it
4. If no, give him a card.

In other words, nobody except the captain speaks to the ref unless spoken to.

Overly harsh? maybe. Effective? absolutely.

 

https://www.thestar.com/sports/socc...-for-critical-world-cup-qualifying-games.html

Messi banned 4 games by FIFA for abusing an assistant ref

 

He kicked a ball at a downed NYRB player too, and should have been suspended IMO.

EDIT: same play looks like.

 

Why are Continental advertising "tires" and not "tyres"?

 

This is so dirty from Marcelo Sarvas. Holy hell man. pic.twitter.com/Q6eni7Jx2V

— Matthew Doyle (@MattDoyle76) April 2, 2017

Expecting an upgrade to red here...

Thx,

Jay!

 

Maybe they are being traditional. You know, like Americans.

The word was "tire" even for the British until late in the 19th Century.

The word originally was a shortened version of "attire" and became "tire" meaning the clothing of a wheel. It was spelled as both "tire" and "tyre" for a while until the "tire" spelling became standard in the UK and elsewhere.

From the Oxford English Dictionary:

These are almost all citations from Britain referring to tire as the outer part of a wheel:

1782 Newcome Brit. Patent 1320 The main or out~side rim or tire consists of one whole sound ring.
1787 Brodie Brit. Patent 1599 The tier is then heated a black red and put on the wheel.
1827 Meaden Brit. Patent 5574 My improvements on wheels for carriages consist in binding them with an iron hoop tire having its internal surface concave.
1831 I. K. Brunel Treat. Draught in W. Youatt Horse 436 A strong circular frame of wood..is bound together by a hoop, or several hoops of iron, called tires.
1843 Penny Cycl. XXVII. 317/2 The introduction of solid or hoop tires is an immense improvement.
1845 Thomson Brit. Patent 10,990 I claim..the application of elastic bearings round the tire of carriage wheels.
1858 O. W. Holmes Autocrat of Breakfast-table vi. 144 You couldn't pry that out of a Boston man, if you had the tire of all creation straightened out for a crowbar.
1860 G. W. S. Piesse Lab. Chem. Wonders 122 The tires of wheels previously to their being fixed are made hot.
1862 Fraser's Mag. Nov. 634 Specimens of tires for locomotive engines..made with~out a weld.
1886 H. Caine Son of Hagar ii. xi, The tires of the wheels were still crusted with unmelted snow.

These are mostly British citations showing the transition from "tire" to "tyre" for the new pneumatic ones at the turn of the 19th and 20th Century. But you can see that the Encyclopedia Britannica is hanging on to "tire" in 1910:

a1877 E. H. Knight Pract. Dict. Mech. III. 2579 At the same time Mr. Dunlop patented a tire of annealed cast-iron, grooved to receive an india-rubber band. Various other patents followed, embracing india-rubber as a material to be used in constructing tires.
1887 Viscount Bury & G. L. Hillier Cycling (Badminton Libr. of Sports & Pastimes) ii. 63 The iron tire was necessarily incompatible with the light iron wheel; rubber tires were introduced.
1909 Webster's New Internat. Dict. Eng. Lang. Tire,..4. Commonly spelt tyre in British usage... The pneumatic tire for a bicycle or automobile serves primarily to reduce vibration or shock.
1910 Encycl. Brit. VII. 683/1 Rubber tires, in place of iron ones, appeared in 1868.

It was not an entirely happy transition:

From A Dictionary of Modern English Usage (published at Oxford in 1926):

"there is nothing to be said for 'tyre', which is etymologically wrong, as well as needlessly divergent from our own [sc. British] older & the present American usage".

 

Yes, yes but is tire or tyre generally used in Canada?

 

Fixed it

 

As long as this thread is so far off road already, let me add that, even if 'tire' is a shortening of 'attire', that doesn't entirely rule out 'tyre' as a spelling.

'attyre' seems to have been a perfectly acceptable spelling in the 1800s, as evidenced by Google Books results
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&hl=en&q="attyre"

 

Thanks for the clarification. Canadians disappoint me in so many ways - right turn on red, overtaking on the inside, a lack of a professional cricket league, a banana republic soccer ranking and now this!

 

This thread is just going round and round...

 

The reason aluminum is spelled aluminium elsewhere is that after it became used in the US, the Royal Society decided it was a element and the name should be consistent with other elements like chromium, sodium, ferrum and manganese.
Wait a darned minute....

 

Didn't see that coming...

...said no one anywhere.

Surpised it's just one. NHL reviews take into account past performance, and Marcelo is a repeat offender.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017/...-committee-suspends-dc-uniteds-marcelo-sarvas

The "official" MLS release doesn't offer any insight as to why they decided what they decided. #Transparancy

Thx,

Jay!

 

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017...ward-suspended-altercation-fan-after-skc-loss

Lol, snowflakes can't handle the give-and-take these days. And if MLS is retroactively suspending players for "fan abuse" I'd like to report Ian Bishop for giving me the business one time.

Also, I call on MLS/SKC to police the fans who can clearly be heard abusing Tim Howard #DontCrossTheLine

Thx,

Jay!

 

Um, reports are that the altercation after the game was physical, not just yelling. So, yeah, 3 games is right in line.

Also probably the best known American soccer player (to the general public) was caught on video that was put on social media searing at a fan. Yeah, MLS was pretty much guaranteed to step in and do something about that.

As a Rapids fan I have no problem with this.

 

"A source told ESPN FC that Howard also grabbed an SKC supporter by the arm as players were leaving the field."

http://www.espnfc.com/major-league-...by-colorado-rapids-after-altercation-with-fan

 

The Players Union is calling on KC's security to do a better job after the Howard incident:

Statement on Tim Howard Disciplinary Decision: "Tim takes responsibility for his actions, but MLS needs to do the same..." pic.twitter.com/uQMTV6Hk9O

— MLSPA (@MLSPA) April 15, 2017