The Arsenal vs. Atletico Madrid | 3 May 2018

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by Tonerl, Apr 30, 2018.

  1. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
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    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
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    Arsenal FC
    Lest I'm mistaken Arsenal's roster is more expensive than Liverpool's, and is definitely more expensive than Tottenham's. Pretty sure it's more expensive than Juventus and Roma.

    At the very least they've been under performing in the premiership compared to the price tag for their roster.
     
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  2. cantona94

    cantona94 Member

    Jul 16, 2000
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    Is that purchase price or contract price? Because for years Wenger has given ridiculously large contracts to royally undeserving players.
     
  3. Fifty

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    Mar 11, 2012
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    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And cheating on his wife, etc. I don't get the comments about him being a great man at all. He wasn't a terrible guy but he is no way great to me.
     
  4. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
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    Arsenal FC
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    England
    I think in 2 seasons a good coach can lead us to challenge
     
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  5. GunnerJacket

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    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
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    Wages.
     
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  6. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
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    Arsenal FC
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    England
    No, we lost because of shit defenders and being a worse team and squad
     
  7. pookspur

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    Nov 3, 2001
    Indiana
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    with all due respect, it's not a manager's job to put the club's interests over his own livelihood, is it? the obvious conflict of interests make the manager, himself, the very least qualified person to weigh that particular equasion. it's the board's responsibility to put the club above the manager, simple as.

    was every other manager who ever got the sack being 'selfish', as well?
     
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  8. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    One look at the avatar he's had for years and you'd know he's a fan of....uh....extreme positions. ;)

    Just messing with you, fifty. History nerd joke.
     
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  9. Fifty

    Fifty Member

    Mar 11, 2012
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    United States
    I appreciate you know who he is.
     
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  10. yossarian

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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
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    As I said, history nerd. Plus, I have relatives in Frederick, which isn't far from Harper's Ferry.
     
  11. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
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    Arsenal FC
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    --other--
    Personally don’t think it’s extreme considering what he fought against.
     
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  12. pookspur

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    Nov 3, 2001
    Indiana
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    apologies in advance for trotting out the 'kids these days' implication. but would not most people posting in this forum - or most any American forum - not know who that is?
     
  13. danielh

    danielh Member

    May 30, 2013
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    not with just a picture at least. And I sat through ken burn's gettysburg.
     
  14. ArsenalMetro

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    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
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    Arsenal FC
    No way. Educated people might know who John Brown is, but if they haven't studied the abolitionist movement in detail, they wouldn't know what he looks like.
     
  15. yossarian

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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    I'm talking more about "Bloody Kansas" than Harper's Ferry. Yes, he was fighting against slavery, but there was some pretty nasty stuff all around during those border wars.
     
  16. cantona94

    cantona94 Member

    Jul 16, 2000
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sadly, no. I taught history at a university here in the states. You would be shocked at the ignorance of Americans in regards to their own history.

    It is partly to blame why so many are so damn gullible these days regarding conspiracy theories and issues dealing with the constitution and American forefathers. They know nothing about history nor how their own government works so they cannot discern fact and historical fact/precedence from falsehoods and fear mongering It’s infuriating.
     
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  17. GunnerJacket

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    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    To be fair we're also trying to both improve upon the standard of history taught and include a LOT more information than, say, our grandparents might have been taught. We understand there's so much more than simply Columbus, Washington, etc, but there is a rational limit to what most people can retain.

    Building on your last point, though, we've also regrettably run aground with our new technology, because while it enables everyone to have access to tons of information it also clouds our ability to manage it and discern fact from folly. In giving everyone more of a voice we've equally provide bullhorns for the idiots. Alas.
     
  18. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    I stayed away for a couple of days because I knew there would be a lot of strum and drang over this loss. Atletico have made their home field a fortress, they held Real 0-0, the Barcelona game ended 1-1. In 17 home games in La Liga they have surrender a grand total of 4 goals. It was always going to be very difficult to score in this one. The tie was lost when Arsenal failed to score a second or third in the first leg. Atletico knows how to defend as a team, Simeone is the Argentine, Mourinho. Effective, but not a playing style I'm particularly fond of.
     
  19. MilesW

    MilesW Member+

    Aug 26, 2010
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    someone has to do tomorrows thread
     
  20. pookspur

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    Nov 3, 2001
    Indiana
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    yeah, very poor phrasing on my part. I am well aware that all too many are oblivious to things far more fundamental, and that recognition of said image would be an unrealistic expectation for many and probably most.

    what I was mildly surprised by was the implication that recognition might be considered exceptional - surprising even. I'd've put $100 on Yoss recognizing that image ... but without the slightest thought of him being - or attributing it to being - a history nerd.
     
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