The All-Encompassing Pro/Rel Thread on Soccer in the USA

Discussion in 'Soccer in the USA' started by bigredfutbol, Mar 12, 2016.

  1. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A minor league baseball team that has its own ballpark and plays 140 games is going to have vastly greater expenses for facilities, front office staff, marketing, travel, etc. compared to an NPSL team that rents a high school stadium for a 10-14 game schedule. The baseball team also has vastly greater opportunities for revenues, of course.
     
  2. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I feel it would make a lot of sense for USL to subsidize travel costs if it wants to grow the league. If you look at Forward Madison's schedule the costs and time commitments must be tremendous.
     
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  3. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I hope this is real.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    Name one city that has paid to build a soccer specific stadium for an NPSL team like Corpus Christi has done done for the Hooks and get back to me.

    edited because I left out the important bit.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    They'd be subsidizing it with money generated from the Championship, while teams are falling out of the Championship because they can't make ends meet?
    Color me skeptical.
     
  6. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  7. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes it makes sense. Without USL-1 all 3 of them would probably have gone belly up.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    I don't think USL gives much of a shit if Harrisburg or Rochester ever fields a team again.
     
  9. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think they're anxious to grow the league to 40 teams.
     
  10. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You may be right about the expenses bit.

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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    So it appears you were right about them being subsidized, you just had the wrong benefactor:

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  12. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Oh I see, yes I think in many cases that's true, where I live now, Crawley, is a good example of that, its a 'new town' and a lot of people here have origins in London therefore there is a lot of support for Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs etc, its tough for Crawley Town to 'pull em in' - crowds are modest though attendances have grown threefold since they got promoted into pro league football. It can depend on 'other' things as well as longevity though - PSG were only formed in 1970 and get big crowds, helps when you are the only major club in Paris and you were formed by a merger though.
     
  13. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    OH IT IS
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    at night with the bridge in the background and all sorts of stuff going on it's pretty bad ass
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    and recently painted he roof to match the iconic stripes!
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    It really is a bad ass little stadium

    Erm, that's kind of the point and an illustration of the difference between the two.

    For reference, here's the latest I could find for Wakemed: https://www.wralsportsfan.com/railh...-year-lease-for-wakemed-soccer-park/15728816/
     
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  14. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's $3 million over the 16 year commitment.
     
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  15. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who on earth would build a stadium for a 5-8 games a season with attendances in the hundreds?
     
  16. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  17. Expansion Franchise

    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    And, in reality, if the city is doing the marketing, they're clearly doing a piss-poor job.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    Way to take this entirely too literally. NPSL clubs would love to have access to their not-on-their-dime labor for as long as MiLB teams do, too.
     
  19. Fun fact about promotion/relegation in Europe.
    It is so terrible for the clubs to relegate that leagues are increasing the number of clubs that relegate immediately instead of giving them the chance to remain via a play off win.
    Next season Eredivisie clubs ending on the two bottom spots relegate immediately and the two top teams of the second tier go up immediately.
    In other leagues even the three at the bottom go down immediately.
    These are changes from the situation for decades only the last club relegated.
    It is so terrible to relegate, that leagues even make more than one go down.
     
  20. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's great the sport is in such good health in the Netherlands.
     
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  21. Mmmm, opinions on that have a spread.
     
  22. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, in other countries the pyramid is being constricted. What are your thoughts on the recent-ish contraction of the Second division in neighboring Belgium?
     
  23. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So the 10th place team in Eerste Divisie qualified for the pro/rel playoffs this season?
     
  24. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's right, write off a 16 year deal after 4 home games. :eek:

    Looking at Wikipedia it appears the deal is $1 million from the city over the first 5 years. That's probably less than they spent on the local soccer complex where Lansing United (NPSL) are based.

    Why is US soccer stadiums getting public subsidies worse than European stadiums getting public subsidies?
     
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  25. Well, the Belgian league isnot well managed and frankly a toy for dubious investors. The KBVB (Belgian FA) hasnot got a firm grip on the clubs finances (the federal structure of Belgium isnot helping either) and also implemented requirements for a licence in that league that were too high for several clubs (a stadium with minimum 4000 capacity etc) that it inevitably moved into the direction of shrinking the numbers.
    I think it's wrong to require a stadium to be of a certain minimum size. The only requirement that in my eyes is permittable is safety standards.
    Now the KBVB is squeezing clubs out of that league that could be fine contributors to the game.
    Not good.
     
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