The 2020 Election Mega Thread

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  1. The Jitty Slitter

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    Yep

    Pure Killary stuff used for voter suppression. Can we stop pretending now?

     
  2. Timon19

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    What national interest was being served by starving Zaidi Shia?
     
  3. The Jitty Slitter

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    It's amazing how we have to explain all this stuff again after events in 2016

    Of course Moscow has long funded wingnuts on the left and the right - see Germany for example.

    In the last 4 years we've seen clearly how Moscow has funded groups on the right like the NRA but also played the useful idiots like Stein.

    Sometimes receipt of cash is knowing but it doesn't have to be. e.g. it seems highly likely Russian money found its way into vote.leave via a cut out benefactor (banks)

    What has been interesting is how increasingly in germany, Austria, Italy etc AfD and co have simply taken cash direct from Moscow or via "oligarchs"

    The Ukraine mobsters arrested by the FBI is another great example of that. Half a millions bucks straight to GOP congressman / GOP PACs

    The likes of Wilson have been pointing out for months that the Tulsi reveal was inevitable. In reality her usefulness to donors is as a candidate who will harm the DNC

    For her to go full "but hillary" just shows how 2016 is their only game plan

    hilarious stuff
     
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    The dems seriously need to find a stooge businessman to run as an indie libertarian righty in swing states
     
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    The other thing that is interesting is we now know 100% that Putin structures a bunch of his "meddling" via Ukrainian sources. Remember the likes of Greenwald were quick to trumpet that Manafort met with Ukrainians not Russians.

    But Putin is very good at structuring his machinations via cutouts

     
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  6. Timon19

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    What national interest was being served by starving Zaidi Shia?
     
  7. dapip

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    1185296290810224640 is not a valid tweet id
     
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    She's not worth getting worked up over. She's at 1-2% so at best she's a marginally better third party candidate than Stein.
     
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  10. Boandlkramer

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    It’s really disappointing what has happened with Tulsi.

    I was excited about her in 2017. Her vet status gave her some credibility. I still think she would better serve her constituents as a congresswoman.
     
  11. MatthausSammer

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    I'm not sure I'm all-in on the "she's a Russian asset" narrative, but I don't think she could've imploded worse out there as she continues her campaign. She sounds bitter, desperate, and paranoid. I can't imagine she's happy doing this.
     
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  12. The Jitty Slitter

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    She is another jill stein
     
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  13. sitruc

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    The Yang Gang bots and trolls were boosting Gabbard a lot yesterday. He continues to at best be willfully ignorant regarding his messages to the alt-right and the like.
     
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  14. dapip

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    The “anti war” candidate missing a vote on Syria...


    1184959930278694912 is not a valid tweet id
     
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  15. MatthausSammer

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    I do wonder what kind of impact Tulsi's Presidential run is having on her perception back home. It sounds like this Kahele guy is pretty serious in challenging her.
     
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    The idea tulsi is antiwar is kind of funny


     
  18. sitruc

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    There are quite a few threads about Gabbard online. This one covers a lot and doesn't even get into her background much.

     
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  19. Timon19

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    Wait...Tahrir Al-Sham and Jabhat Al-Nusra before them were NOT terrorists?
     
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  20. ceezmad

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    She is not going to run 3rd party, this is more democrats losing their shit for any reason.

    The Trump presidency has made many Democrats into tin foil conspiracy theorist.
     
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    She has always had crazy believes, her father has probably had a big influence on her, that dude also has crazy ideas.

    She is not qualified to be president, but it has nothing to do with Russia.
     
  22. The Jitty Slitter

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    Interesting debate going on Nate silvers timeline about trump flooding the zone with Facebook disinformation
     
  23. The Jitty Slitter

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    My own view is the debate conflates two different aspects of Facebooks role.

    1. @American Brummie has provided evidence that digital media is not effective at changing votes

    2. Facebook is now a leading news platform since it successfully co-opted the digital audiences of the main news creators.

    This would see Facebook as a key place for opinion shaping, with the added bonus that with digital ads, there is no genuine gatekeeper as opposed to PR

    This is incidentally why deplatforming works. Wingnut media struggles to reach its audience if FB, YouTube and Twitter are closed

    tldr; facebook is just another part of the media mix

     
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  24. The Jitty Slitter

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    This is exactly my view. The real problem with Facebook is as the audience gatekeeper

    It now seems clear that content & news creators were suckered into building their audiences on Facebook instead of 100% owned audiences. One way FB did this was with fraudulently inflated video views.

    In short the platform is evil and the threat it poses to democracy is because it is putting actual news creators out of business because they cannot access all their own earned ad revenue.

     
  25. The Jitty Slitter

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