yup. great loss % but unacceptable win % if we even had 5 wins and 5 losses instead of 10 draws we would be third
I Know. That's what i meant by bizarre. Usually this kind of unbeaten run is seen on a team on top of the league and not on a team in 5th. Funny part, is if we had won even 3 of them we would now be in top 4.
That streak of ours is disappointing, because of our lack of production on the offensive end, but I still maintain that there is one big positive from it (as hard as it may be to see) and that we are team that do not get beaten easily again. How many losses have we recorded this season so far? I believe that we can count on the fingers of one hand, or thereabouts. Considering all the games we've already played, so few Ls are a good thing. Now of course, the key for next season is to turn a lot of those draws into Ws, which should happen as we get reinforcements next season. But this streak should not be seen for as too much to be excited about on the one hand, simply can not be dismissed outright either.
It will be satisfactory enough for Jose's first season in charge, having won one major trophy in the EL and secured CL qualification for next season, the main objective after all.
Absolutely. Community Shield, check. English Football league, check. Europa League, check. A return to the CL by top four AND the EL cup -- good season indeed.
But wouldn't doing so be considered "good"? The question shyanne asked is whether ending up in the top four and winning the Europa League cup allow us to consider the 16/17 a "good season". The answer is clearly yes, so why devalue the accomplishment of those two objectives? You didn't seriously expect us win the EPL trophy in Jose's first season, did you?
We are not Arse/Liverpool where mediocrity is sufficient. It's embarrassing some are touting winning the Community Shield and the League Cup as a good thing. We are Manchester United. We should be at least challenging for the title is not winning it.
given the team left by moyes and van gaal era, you expecting we challenging for the EPL title right away? I am expecting jose to challenge the title in his second year, not first
Yes. Chelsea finished 10th last year and will win this year. Leicester(I know an anomaly) finishes 11th the year before last. Jose has been a failure this year in terms of player selection/rotation and more importantly tactics.
Hey Father, let's step back a bit. Whatever United supporter wants to see every season is United winning the treble. Or at least two major trophies, one being the EPL trophy. By the measuring stick of what we all wanted to see United accomplish, this season can be viewed as a failure, perhaps even a disaster. We're not going to win the EPL trophy, we crashed out of the FA Cup, we might not even make top four and we're at risk of not even making it to the EL cup final. If we do not qualify for the CL through top four or the EL, it will have been a disastrous season. Let's judge whether this season has been a disaster -- or whether Jose "has been a failure" -- until the football gods have rendered their final verdict. You rightly note that "Chelsea went from 10th last year and will win this year". But you omit one key and highly relevant fact -- that this same Chelsea squad won the league trophy the year before. Conte has done his part no question, but he inherited a squad that had recently won the EPL trophy. What did Jose inherit at United? A squad that hadn't won squat except one measly FA Cup over the previous three seasons. Player who led United to glorious triumph four seasons prior are either gone (Vidic, Rio, Evra) or playing in wheelchairs (Rooney and Carrick. Yes, we still have De Gea but De Gea has gotten only better since his Ferguson days. One cannot underestimate the degree to which the squad had been broken by Moyes and Van Gaal. Players that Van Gaal left Jose were in no way ready to perform at peak level upon his arrival. He brought in four new players, three of whom have been outstanding Bailly, Pogba and Ibra and one of whom had a great spell in midseason but has reverted to mediocrity as the season ground on, Miki. Could Jose have done more with the players he inherited and the players he brought in? I think so. In January, when Rashford, Martial and Rooney were all having diabolical seasons and Mata, Lingard and Miki were having only a minor impact Jose should have brought in a forward. I don't know who, but an impact veteran who could have taken some of the load off Ibra, who Jose undeniably overworked. Jose also should have kept one of Morgan or Bastian, either of whom is vastly superior to Marouane in midfield. Jose should also have given more minutes to Fosu-Mensah, although to be fair to Jose that would have meant taking risks in games that we drew that we would likely have lost by relying so heavily on a teenager in defense. But there wasn't much more that Jose could have done than what he did do with the players that he had. Sure, we could have brought in players like Griezmann and Laporte last summer along with Bailly, Pogba and Miki (assume no Ibra because of Griezmann), but that wouldn't have been at all realistic. Those transfer fees for those two together would have been another 120-140m. Let's round that up to 140m...add that Pogba's 90 and Bailly's 30 and Miki's 30 and suddenly you're looking at a total of close to 300m for new players in a single transfer window. I don't think spending that kind of sum in a single transfer window was realistic. Ultimately, it's down the players and not the manager for whatever failure befalls us this season. When we look back at matches like Stoke and Burnley last fall and Bournemouth after that it's all about the poor finishing. No one beside Ibra could hit the proverbial side of the barn. Sorry for the wall of text, but the point has to be made that Jose inherited a broken squad, bought as many players as he could and at least three of those players have made a significant impact this season and that we can only come to a firm conclusion on whether Jose has been a failure or not on the basis of whether or we not we qualify for the CL next season, which won't be known for a few more weeks.
[emoji36] [emoji36] Jose Mourinho's @ManUtd have now gone 2️⃣5️⃣ #PL matches unbeaten, setting a new club record #MUNSWA pic.twitter.com/ndsGLzc453— Premier League (@premierleague) May 1, 2017
10 - Man Utd have reached double figures for home league draws for only the second time in their history (11 in 1980/81). Stalemate.— OptaJoe (@OptaJoe) April 30, 2017
Jose's shocking distrust of youth has been his biggest crime along with squad rotation. If he was coach last season, Rashford would still be in the youth team and I not sure we would have bought Martial. Jose is suppose be from the LVG family tree, he should have taken that lesson as well as the importance of defense.
No change again for this week [emoji36] The top 6️⃣ after @LFC's win over Watford on Monday pic.twitter.com/QAHppK04EE— Premier League (@premierleague) May 2, 2017
Would playing Fosu-Mensah more really have made that much of a difference in our position in the league table? I seriously doubt it. The story of the season has been the serial underperformance of Rooney and Martial, two players who are at the opposite end of the arcs of the careers but who should still be on at least 10 more goals than they have scored. Had they done their part against clubs like Stoke, Burnley and Bournemouth we'd be well inside the top four zone and not having to worry about securing glorious triumph in Stockholm.
Playing the Youth might have kept some guys fresher or we may have found out that we can go to the kids in big games. For the record our whole attacking 4 players, AM, LW, RW and CF have not scored enough goals.
If a certain someone had converted more than fourteen percent of his chances we would definitely be in the top 4.