Starting Line-up vs Ivory Coast...?

Discussion in 'Argentina' started by in da soup, May 25, 2006.

  1. Asalieri

    Asalieri Member+

    Jun 29, 2004
    Mesa, Arizona
    Club:
    CA San Lorenzo de Almagro
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Pato's deliveries for the NT:

    11 October 2005 Uruguay : Argentina 1:0 (0:0)
    FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. South American Zone
    8 October 2005 Argentina : Peru 2:0 (0:0)
    FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. South American Zone
    7 June 2005 Argentina : Brazil 3:1 (3:0)
    FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. South American Zone
    5 June 2004 Argentina : Paraguay 0:0
    FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. South American Zone
    29 March 2005 Argentina : Colombia 1:0 (0:0)
    FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. South American Zone
    16 November 2004 Argentina : Venezuela 3:2 (2:1)
    FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. South American Zone
    12 October 2004 Chile : Argentina 0:0
    FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. South American Zone
    8 October 2004 Argentina : Uruguay 4:2 (3:0)
    FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. South American Zone
    3 September 2004 Peru : Argentina 1:3 (0:1)
    FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. South American Zone

    Still think Pato hasn't come through enough? Come ON!
     
  2. Pekerman

    Pekerman Member+

    May 20, 2006

    I mostly credit this to our defense. The last great game that Pato had was against Brazil in the qualification. If he plays that way then I am absolutely willing to start him.

    Has anyone been following the mighty Ivory Coast lately ? They drew Chile 1-1. :rolleyes:
     
  3. Asalieri

    Asalieri Member+

    Jun 29, 2004
    Mesa, Arizona
    Club:
    CA San Lorenzo de Almagro
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina

    It takes 11 players, my friend.

    And I think with what we currently see, Pato will do just fine against CIV.
    We'll hopefully win our first two matches, so we can rest against Holland.
     
  4. in da soup

    in da soup New Member

    Nov 17, 2005
    england
    six points doesn't guarantee you top spot, which is v important.

    also, it's better to keep the momentum of winning.

    i hope we do anything but rest.

    and of course, we have the matter of two games before holland.
     
  5. Pekerman

    Pekerman Member+

    May 20, 2006


    Our "B" team should be more than Holland can handle anyway.
     
  6. in da soup

    in da soup New Member

    Nov 17, 2005
    england
    now we disagree again.

    nighty night.
     
  7. Asalieri

    Asalieri Member+

    Jun 29, 2004
    Mesa, Arizona
    Club:
    CA San Lorenzo de Almagro
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Still... Six points guarantees (assuming ONE tie happens in one of the other teams' matches) a lot more comfort than 4 or 2 or 1 or...
     
  8. bsas

    bsas Member

    May 27, 2004
    Switzerland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    It would be a huge mistake to underestimate Holland.

    However I also think that if we win the first 2 matches, we can rest our main players. Because I can't see much of a difference between playing Portugal or Mexico (my guess for the 2 group D winners). It's not like choosing between Brazil and Croatia...
     
  9. Asalieri

    Asalieri Member+

    Jun 29, 2004
    Mesa, Arizona
    Club:
    CA San Lorenzo de Almagro
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Yeah... Group E is gonna be a race to see who can avoid playing Brazil in Round of 16!!!

    You can bet the tactics will change in the group based on how F does!

    But back to us in C, we've gotta concentrate on winning the first two. Trust me, Holland is the toughest of the three by ANYONE's measure.
     
  10. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    It is hard to speculate about the advantages of finishing first. It might mean meeting Germany in the quarters, and ideally you always want to avoid the home team. Traditionally the home teams always seem to get the 'breaks' to go their way. FIFA wants the home team to go into the later stages. (But of course that also assumes that Germany will win their group.)

    The important thing is to get through. Obviously beating Ivory Coast is key to qualifying without troubles. I think they are very strong defensively, especially on the right, but they are weaker on their left flank, so a player like Maxi could be key. As long as our defense holds, I think we can beat them because I think we should be able to score against them.

    If we win that one, then everything will become easier, because we will go into the Serbia match less pressured, and we will need discipline and patience to beat Serbia. If they need the result more than us they won't be able to sit back and try to frustruate us.

    So, we get Serbia, and then we can begin to worry about Holland, who have a very talented but inexperienced team.
     
  11. Asalieri

    Asalieri Member+

    Jun 29, 2004
    Mesa, Arizona
    Club:
    CA San Lorenzo de Almagro
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Of course, the tactics change if Serbia happens to defeat Holland.

    then Serbia might tighten up against us.
     
  12. sohka88

    sohka88 New Member

    Jun 21, 2005
    People are looking way ahead... I hope the team doesn't do that. Beating IC is key, but does not mean there is no presure. Last wc argentina won its initial game and look what happened.

    Lets take it one game at a time.
     
  13. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Well, it's fun to look ahead and speculate. Obviously you want to win the first game, and I do believe it is key. But of course as you point out winning it doesn't garantee anything.

    I remember 1990, when we lost the first game to Cameroon and then we made it all the way to the final. Since then we've always won the first game, at every world cup. And yet we never got close to making it to the final again.

    Ok, forget the scenarios. Lets just hope to win every match and become champions.
     
  14. Asalieri

    Asalieri Member+

    Jun 29, 2004
    Mesa, Arizona
    Club:
    CA San Lorenzo de Almagro
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Yeah!!! Winning every game eliminates all speculation!

    :D
     
  15. shaf-argentina

    shaf-argentina New Member

    Dec 30, 2005
    Auckland, NZ
  16. in da soup

    in da soup New Member

    Nov 17, 2005
    england
    i don't want to speak too soon but it wasn't so long ago we had injury doubts over ayala, heinze, mascherano, tevez, messi and aimar, at least five of whom get into our first eleven.

    reasons to be cheerful folks :)
     
  17. in da soup

    in da soup New Member

    Nov 17, 2005
    england
    today in training in germany, the ten outfield players who started against angola were divided into a different group from the others.

    this may have been because they were warming down from the game but it is unlikely because some of them played no more minutes than some other members of the squad.

    it might suggest the same team starts against ivory coast.

    which means saviola instead of tevez. :eek:

    it's all speculation of course but you can always trust peker to spring a surprise.

    the goalkeepers of course train in a separate group so there was no indication of peker's thinking.

    however, if he is thinking of changing keeper, the ivory coast game would be the best opportunity, because it's (theoretically) the easiest of our games, therefore the best one in which to break in someone new, whereas to throw a new keeper into a tough game would be a bigger ask.
     
  18. Pekerman

    Pekerman Member+

    May 20, 2006
    This is just routine. There are still 9 days for the WC to start. However I can sense that Pekerman has a preference or bias towards el pibito. The surprise would be if Tevez does start at this point, sadly. We will see, I hope Tevez plays the whole 90 minutes of course.
     
  19. in da soup

    in da soup New Member

    Nov 17, 2005
    england
    well, on ole today, they reported peker as saying the team will be the same as started against angola, and this is why he is training this way.

    if it is true, then our bench will consist of such talent as:

    milito
    lucho
    tevez
    messi
    aimar

    which is pretty frightening and shows the depth we have.

    it would also mean pato keeps his place, as expected.

    quite why peker would announce his side so early is beyond me, so i'm inclined to think it might be a bit of creative reporting.

    they also said the under-20 team were in germany to help the team prepare, don't know if anyone can confirm this?
     
  20. Leon12

    Leon12 Member+

    Jan 5, 2006
    Man of the world
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    That is indeed frightening firepower to have on the bench. :D

    I'd like to see Tevez start in place of Saviola. Everyone knows what I think of Pato (which is the same as 99.9% of Argentina supporters) but Peker seems to have a blind spot as far as he is concerned, so he will start.
     
  21. vipnerd

    vipnerd Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 26, 2003
    La Mitad + Román

    Yep ... the U-20 that played in Toulon (not the one that played against the NT in Bs As b4 travelling to Europe).

    It was done last WC too ... among those U-20 that served as sparrings in practice for WC02 was a kid called Javier Mascherano.


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  22. in da soup

    in da soup New Member

    Nov 17, 2005
    england

    :D

    let's hope there's another gem or two in this year's bunch.
     
  23. hoyi22

    hoyi22 New Member

    Jun 3, 2006
    Why Saviola should not start vs Ivory Coast? He had proven in warm-up matches that he was in fit position. I believe that he can make a goal against African team.
     
  24. Pekerman

    Pekerman Member+

    May 20, 2006


    Pekerman plans to rotate the team. Saviola might be effective against the Ivory Coast because of his speed which could expose the Ivorian defense. However I still believe that Tevez is the much better and more complete player. If I were Pekerman I would have built the entire team around Tevez. He is a very high caliber player. This would be similar to England benching a fit Rooney. But in our case we actually have more talent to fill in :D
     
  25. ilovefotball

    ilovefotball Member

    Feb 11, 2006
    europe
    actually, there is. The captain of that team who plays as CB is very good and he also scored a goal in our last match, but i don't know his name. and there was another small built player who played in Left flank. and i was wondering why our best players are all small built.:confused: :D
     

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