Stand Your Ground: George Zimmerman Charged

That Phat Hat · Mar 21, 2012

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barbara said: ↑

yes, but not when you weigh the annoyance suffered by boaters forced to slow down. Screw those stupid manatees, anyway. If they can't get out of the way, ******** 'em!
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IT's THE SAME THING AS WALKING, WHICH NEVER HAPPENS IN THE WILD, HAVEN'T YOU HEARD?

minerva · Mar 21, 2012

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That Phat Hat said: ↑

Again, one gazillion percent relevant to whining about not being able to boat******** a manatee.
So thick skinned that you made a point of whining about how it deserved a neg rep and waaaaaaaaaaaaaah but you lacked the intestinal fortitude to pull the trigger on the rep button. I get you.

Also, it's true. Your knowing abilities aren't exactly world class.
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how about instead of neg repping you, I just telling you publicly - fuck you dickhead.

feel better now?
I can tell you, I feel much more macho now. no more "whining" about things! no way! I had the "intestinal fortitude" to "pull the trigger" on not only a neg rep button, but a public reply button! I feel like such a manly man now. because neg repping a poster is SUCH a fu!@#king manly thing to do!
you're a joke dude.

I'm done with this off-topic stupidity.

Real Corona · Mar 21, 2012

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Auriaprottu said: ↑

Related experience: I was in my late teens when I first saw a real reindeer. I kew immediately why almost every Christmas image involving "reindeer" used whitetails instead.

I bet your office mates' wives would have had no issues shooting a real reindeer. when you think about it, they look a lot more more like caribou.
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They are caribou

That Phat Hat · Mar 21, 2012

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minerva said: ↑

how about instead of neg repping you, I just telling you publicly - fuck you dickhead.
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Okay, I TOTALLY believe you have a penis now. You can go back to killing manatees now.

I'm done with this off-topic stupidity.
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Finally!

But before we get back to the stupid Florida law,

After we had sex, she told a story about her marine biology internship and about a pack of manatees they once found in the water off Key West. She really loved manatees, and eventually she jumped from her boat into the water and landed on a manatee. But the manatee was actually dead, and the body ended up falling apart and she was covered in dead manatee slime and someone had to fish her out and clean her up.
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tomwilhelm · Mar 21, 2012

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That Phat Hat said: ↑

Okay, I TOTALLY believe you have a penis now. You can go back to killing manatees now.
Finally!

But before we get back to the stupid Florida law,
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See... THIS is the shit you should get neg repped for, asshole!

Auriaprottu · Mar 21, 2012

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Real Corona said: ↑

They are caribou
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This makes all kinds of sense. Thanks!

minerva · Mar 21, 2012

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But before we get back to the stupid Florida law,

After we had sex, she told a story about her marine biology internship and about a pack of manatees they once found in the water off Key West. She really loved manatees, and eventually she jumped from her boat into the water and landed on a manatee. But the manatee was actually dead, and the body ended up falling apart and she was covered in dead manatee slime and someone had to fish her out and clean her up.
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I'm going to break my promise that I'm done with this off-topic discussion to say that this is an awesome passage. thanks for sharing!

cleansheetbsc · Mar 21, 2012

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minerva said: ↑

I'm going to break my promise that I'm done with this off-topic discussion to say that this is an awesome passage. thanks for sharing!
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Reminds me of 'Empire Strikes Back' when Han Solo cuts open Luke's ride to keep him warm.

Chris M. · Mar 21, 2012

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Barbara said: ↑

Yes, but not when you weigh the annoyance suffered by boaters forced to slow down. Screw those stupid manatees, anyway. If they can't get out of the way, ******** 'em!
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This is Florida. They don't have to get out of the way. We just arm the manatees and they plug the bastards driving the boats in self defense.

minerva · Mar 21, 2012

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Chris M. said: ↑

This is Florida. They don't have to get out of the way. We just arm the manatees and they plug the bastards driving the boats in self defense.
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only if they feel threatened by them.
personally, I think the manatees, as well as their human advocates, need to grow thicker skin (one literally the other figuratively) so that boat props don't bother them. evolution will take care of the former, as for the later, who knows...

and yes, I'm just kidding. settle down, you sensitive types.
okay, now I'm done with this off-topic discussion - again

raza_rebel · Mar 21, 2012

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minerva said: ↑

only if they feel threatened by them.
personally, I think the manatees, as well as their human advocates, need to grow thicker skin (one literally the other figuratively) so that boat props don't bother them. evolution will take care of the former, as for the later, who knows...

and yes, I'm just kidding. settle down, you sensitive types.
okay, now I'm done with this off-topic discussion - again
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And yes I worked in conersvation biology. Sometimes it's just funny.

Cascarino's Pizzeria · Mar 21, 2012

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Chris M. said: ↑

This is Florida. They don't have to get out of the way. We just arm the manatees and they plug the bastards driving the boats in self defense.
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The water cops should set up concrete manatees and see how the boaters react to f*cked up motors and hulls.

minerva · Mar 21, 2012

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Cascarino's Pizzeria said: ↑

The water cops should set up concrete manatees and see how the boaters react to f*cked up motors and hulls.
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nature has taken care of that too - called sand bars and shoals. it'll do some serious damage to an outboard engine.

Barbara · Mar 21, 2012

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tomwilhelm said: ↑

See... THIS is the shit you should get neg repped for, asshole!
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No lie. I'm trying to eat my lunch here.

Cascarino's Pizzeria · Mar 21, 2012

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minerva said: ↑

nature has taken care of that too - called sand bars and shoals. it'll do some serious damage to an outboard engine.
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I know but I was thinking more along the lines of "bear mauls inept hunter."

The Devil's Architect · Mar 21, 2012

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Cascarino's Pizzeria said: ↑

I know but I was thinking more along the lines of "bear mauls inept hunter."
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There's at least a dozen or so hunters every year that end up getting killed on deer/elk hunts because they're out on their own with and never see or hear the mountain lion stalking them.

The Jitty Slitter · Mar 21, 2012

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Surely in this case ballistics would have given a swift insight into how this boy was shot?

That Phat Hat · Mar 21, 2012

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The Jitty Slitter said: ↑

Surely in this case ballistics would have given a swift insight into how this boy was shot?
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Well, we already know that the kid was unarmed and based on the phone conversation, we can probably conclude that he wasn't the aggressor. I'm not sure how much more the forensics can tell us at this point.

Moishe · Mar 21, 2012

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That Phat Hat said: ↑

Well, we already know that the kid was unarmed and based on the phone conversation, we can probably conclude that he wasn't the aggressor. I'm not sure how much more the forensics can tell us at this point.
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Ballistics can probably tell us a whole lot. One of the reports of the various 911 calls said he (Martin) was face down on the ground. If so was he shot in the back or did the impact of the round spin him? Did Zimmerman shoot him while on is back? Was he standing over Martin? As much as I believe Warren Epstein had issues with black people and was clearly looking for a "fight", outside the court of popular opinion (which I subscribe to) this isn't a cut and dry as it appears on the surface. In other words, they'll still have a hell of a time proving Zimmerman didn't feel threatened.

DynamoEAR · Mar 21, 2012

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back on topic

Million hood march in Brooklyn tonight led to NYPD shutting down the Bridge.

hmm

CHICO13 · Mar 21, 2012

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That Phat Hat said: ↑

Well, we already know that the kid was unarmed and based on the phone conversation, we can probably conclude that he wasn't the aggressor. I'm not sure how much more the forensics can tell us at this point.
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Seeing how the police let this guy walk away with the murder weapon I would assume alot of valuable evidence is long gone. This whole thing has been handled terribly from the very beginning,

The Devil's Architect · Mar 21, 2012

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CHICO13 said: ↑

Seeing how the police let this guy walk away with the murder weapon I would assume alot of valuable evidence is long gone. This whole thing has been handled terribly from the very beginning,
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With a little bit of luck, he'll mistakenly get deported to Mexico

Moishe · Mar 21, 2012

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CHICO13 said: ↑

Seeing how the police let this guy walk away with the murder weapon I would assume alot of valuable evidence is long gone. This whole thing has been handled terribly from the very beginning,
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Did they definitely allow him to take the firearm? In most cases the weapon is confiscated at least through the duration of the investigation.

Dolemite · Mar 21, 2012

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Moishe said: ↑

Did they definitely allow him to take the firearm? In most cases the weapon is confiscated at least through the duration of the investigation.
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Forget it, Jake. It's Florida.

wallacegrommit · Mar 22, 2012

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Umar said: ↑

Isn't the situation problematic in that it seems to shift the burden of proof of self-defence from the killer to the person killed? Such a situation might even be an incentive to use deadly force instead of non-lethal force, to ensure that only one version of events remains.

Surely the correct thing to do would be to arrest on prima facie grounds of unlawful killing, and let the defendant adduce a defence of self-defence in due course?

I think the anger from the family is that the guy hasn't even been arrested. I'm not sure how it works in the states, but over here you don't need evidence to arrest someone - just reasonable grounds for believing arrest is necessary are required.
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/public...l-policing/pace-codes/pace-code-g?view=Binary
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Maybe I misunderstand your point, but the shooter was arrested in a technical sense. The police just didn't charge him at the time, because they apparently didn't think they had enough evidence to hold him. They can always come back and charge him later if they change their minds (just watch Law & Order or CSI on TV).

I read another article that says that according to the police report Zimmerman claimed that he had lost track of Martin and was walking back to his truck when the victim attacked him. Seems clear that he is lying and raises the question of why the police didn't immediately see a problem with his story. Wait, the kid just out of the blue jumped you from behind? Why would he do that?