Squad Barometer - Forwards Select 2

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by BorisG, Jul 5, 2017.

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Forwards - Select 2

Poll closed Jul 5, 2018.
  1. Werner

    29 vote(s)
    93.5%
  2. Stindl

    9 vote(s)
    29.0%
  3. Gomez

    13 vote(s)
    41.9%
  4. Wagner

    4 vote(s)
    12.9%
  5. Kruse

    2 vote(s)
    6.5%
  6. Volland

    1 vote(s)
    3.2%
  7. Selke

    1 vote(s)
    3.2%
  8. Platte

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. dips82

    dips82 Member+

    Oct 11, 2013
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Timo was unlucky as his shot outside of the box in the first half missed the goal by a whisker...he needs to leave the club though and join a team with better attacking players
     
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  2. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    RB has been unimpressive for awhile.

    that team WAS made up of 4 key players that made the attack tick. Keita, Forsberg, Sabitzer and Werner.

    Keita is gone and there is no replacement for him. Forsberg is injury prone and has regressed, currently out. Sabitzer himself has also had some injury issues.

    at this rate Werner does need to leave and not renew his contract.
     
  3. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
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  4. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
    Mark Uth has already forgotten how to play football

     
  5. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
    Time is ticking Marvin Ducksch still remains scoreless after 10 match days in the BL

    Daniel Ginczek has suspected ligament damage injury and could be out for a while as usual
     
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  6. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    If one looks at the last 10 years, majority of 2BL top scorers don't really do well in 1BL. It's because these guys's cap off is 2BL. Petersen and Alexander Maier are like the only ones in that time who won top scorer who did well in 1BL.Terodde did well last season in 1BL and he's doing well in 2BL this season.

    Fullkrug for one did a ton better in 1BL than 2BL, he wasn't that impressive in 2BL. I think 2BL is a good league for development to help strikers further themselves by getting playing time and enhance their skills/technique further and that's the most important thing. Serra for one seems to be getting better for playing in 2BL.

    there is still time for Ducksch to do better for struggling FD.
     
  7. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
    #858 Epitome990, Nov 10, 2018
    Last edited: Nov 10, 2018
    I stand by the point that if Düsseldorf relegate, then Ducksch needs to score at least 5-7 goals to still remain in the 1BL with another club next season.

    Felix Platte needs to be able to stay healthy through the course of a season and since he's in 2BL, demonstrate the ability to score at least 8-10 goals there in order to draw attention from first division clubs.

    Serra is doing well which is positive. He's already shown more potential to be a good level pro striker than his teammate Seydel.
     
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  8. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    it's kind of late for Platte to do that well this season, getting closer to the break and he's still not fit. He actually did well for Darmstadt when he played in 1BL. His real issue is being injury prone, this season he came to fitness only to injure himself in training and delay his return for another month. And even when he returns very unlikely he'll displace Durnsun for now.

    Florian Kruger is another one who no one should expect overdoing it, besides Aue being a team that barely scores. When he makes squads very likely to also start on the bench.

    believe 2BL only has 5 games to go and it's break already.
     
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  9. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I also have doubts about Seydel besides not doing much in preseason for Mainz which is why he was loaned out again. Even though beforehand, Mainz stated that Seydel would be part of the 1st team. But his unimpressive preseason form got him loaned out.

    I'm wondering if his other teammate Heinz Morschel will have a better career than Seydel.
     
  10. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
  11. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
    Hopefully David Otto can find a good coach and be at a club that helps him develop. He has a similar build as someone like Alfred Finnbogason. The Icelander is a natural finisher with scoring instinct. Otto needs to work on muscle and getting a proper playing opportunity on the pro level.

    It's a shame that Mark Uth is having another season where injuries have hampered him. Especially at a time where he was finally starting to score again.
     
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  12. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    that's an interesting comparison between Otto and Finnbogason. Both Finnbogason and ex Hoff player Uth made their breakthrough in the Eredivisie. Sad to say but Nagelsmann seems more interested in his 4 other strikers and Otto is just there as a back option. And I get the feeling it might not change this season. The more they climb up and are fighting CL spots the less likely they will even given newbie chances.

    a loan could be in consideration in Winter....hopefully. 2BL being the likely destination but wonder about an Eredivisie loan?

    believe it was said Otto's role model is Robert Lewandowski, that's who he bases his game on. If he ends up mix of those 2 or either of them that could be good. Both are good strikers.

    "Playing as a striker, he has great aerial ability, good hold up technique in build up play, a good shooting technique and skill to beat a defender. He might not have electrifying pace, but makes up for it with the strengths of his other attributes. With many clubs shifting to a more agile lone striker approach, players like Finnbogason will prosper. The Icelandic footballer helps bringing his team-mates into the game rather than just asking for service from the deeper players."

    majority of that sounds like Otto and even the end, Otto does love to do that, kid assists just as much as he scores. Although he's also got plenty of similarities with Lewa too.
     
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  13. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Lewa description from wiki (being lazy.:p)
    "Although he primarily operates as a goal-poacher in the penalty area, due to his positional sense, ability to shoot first time, and strength in the air, his excellent technical skills, quick feet, vision, and physique also enable him to hold up the ball with his back to goal and either bring his teammates into play, or win fouls for his team in useful positions; despite often functioning as a lone-centre forward or as an out-and-out striker, he has also stood out for his work-rate and defensive contribution off the ball, and is capable of dropping into deeper roles on the pitch, in order to create space for teammates with his movement, or surprise defenders by making late and sudden attacking runs into the area. In addition to his playing ability, Lewandowski has also been praised for his outstanding work-ethic, fitness, mentality, and discipline, both on the pitch and in training, by pundits, players and managers."

    of course not saying he'll end up as good as either striker. Just from the description and there are similarities to Otto for both guys.

    still a prospect that hasn't been given any chances at the pro level. It really is why Hoff should have loaned them out all season instead of being a YL player.

    Unless Nagelsmann says something about him that he wants to help him then Winter loan is the best option. Worst part is Otto has more potential than both Szalai and Beldofil. Too bad clubs want ready and made CFs. Even Joelinton who's doing well was loaned out to Austria although he wasn't even outstanding at his loan. But thrived working under Nagelsmann and being given tons and tons of chances to improve. Took him awhile before he started to perform in 1BL.
     
  14. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
    Looks like Marvin Ducksch is losing his spot even more at Fortuna Düsseldorf. Was an unused sub in their 3-3 draw vs Bayern today. It's really too bad
     
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  15. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    in general it's better not to win the 2BL top scorer.

    94 year for strikers is weak between the Yesil self-destruct, Holer, Srbeny and Ducksch. Holer seems to be doing the best of the lot.
     
  16. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
    Ducksch unused for a second match in a row too. He was better than Hennings last season but looks unable to adapt to the first division so far.
     
  17. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Well Philipp is a second striker or can be used as CF;

    Robery Glatzel is decent striker in 2BL, that’s it though
     
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  18. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
    Being decent in 2BL no longer matters anymore after reaching a certain age. Collin Quaner was also decent but is now basically a player lost forever. Just like Phil Hofmann. Similarly Polter where 2BL is his level only.
     
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  19. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Terodde too, so I doubt Glatzel will make it next step.

    Fullkrug n Petersen are too rare case. In fact, Fullkrug didn’t do particularly well in 2BL

    But there are always exceptions. The Schalke striker who scored twice this weekend surprised me a bit
     
  20. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    2BL is a good league for development but that's all it is. Not a good indicator for future success.

    speaking of 2BL, so far so good for Florian Kruger. Between his assist and guy was very aggressive trying to win the ball for his team. Aue were pretty bad and was one of the few bright spot. Still looks like it will be a long season for that club.
     
  21. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
    Based on majority of past cases, it seems like if a player proves they can do well before the age of 21 or 22 in the 2BL, then they have a solid chance at making it in the first division too.

    I believe Ginczek was around that age when he first broke through in 2BL several years ago. He's an example of someone who benefited from spending time there although injuries have derailed his career severely but that's a different subject.

    Right now Serra, Krueger, Arp are the immediate ones to watch for. Maybe Berisha or Mörschel if they can work towards getting more playing time
     
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  22. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think Kaya being constantly ignored is ridiculous, already hit double digit in RL. What does he need to hit 30+ goals just to get 2BL chances for struggling Ingolstadt?

    Owusu, Morschel,Berisha and Duker get either scrap minutes or unused bench players. That's pretty bad for dev, won't get better if you sit around all the time.

    would be nice to also see Awuku (W/CF) start to breakthrough more. I think Kiel just has too many strikers between Serra, Seydel, Morschel, Awuku, Girth. And even though Lee and Schindler aren't strikers they also have played uptop this season. That's just too many players.

    then you got your injury prone guys in Seydel and Platte. If things continue for Platte, he might also end up on the "lost talent" thread. He really needs to stay healthy.
     
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  23. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    2BL really is the mostly not good enough to old players league. There is still a lot of good prospects there but the rest of the league.....

    2BL top scorers this season
    1-Terodde 31 years old 17 goals
    2-Hinterseer 28 years old 8 goals
    3-Klement 26 years old 8 goals
    4-Keita-Ruel 29 years old 8 goals
    5-Beck 31 years old 7 goals
    6-Lasogga 27 years old 7 goals
    7-Weilandt, 27 years old 7 goals
    8-Gruttner 33 years old 7 goals
    9-Glatzel 25 years old 7 goals
    10-Schnatterer 33 years old 6 goals

    Ages are also based on the end of the season, how old they are. That's one old league and Hinterseer is the only non German from the lot too. Honestly can't say any of them will ever be relevant like at all and some here aren't even strikers too.
     
  24. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    31 is not old and it’s not quite old enough to be replaced. U stillcneed experienced players in the squad just happened that they are the better players

    Glatzel is 24 years old init? Why added one year, what’s that for ?

    Younger players need to be more efficient. Serra, Arp n co.
     

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