Spain vs. Holland - June 13, 2014 - Salvador [R]

Discussion in 'Group B: Spain, Chile, Australia, Netherlands' started by Furnaccio, Jan 2, 2014.

  1. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Anyone attending or looking to go to this game? Let me know!
    I have some extra tickets (Category 1) and I will be attending this game - my group got lucky in the lottery.
     
  2. damaaster

    damaaster Member

    May 26, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I'll be there. I got Holland TST-5 tickets!

    See you there!
     
  3. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Okay, follow me here.

    FIFA Regulation 35.2
    "Each team shall inform FIFA of two different and contrasting colours (one predominately dark and one predominately light kit) for its official and reserve team kit (shirt, shorts and socks). In addition, each team shall select three contrasting colours for the goalkeepers. This information shall be sent to FIFA on the team colour form. Only these colours may be worn at the matches."
    (page 44 of this link)
    http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles.../Regulations/01/87/54/21/1875421_DOWNLOAD.pdf

    • For each match, the team listed first (on FIFA's website) is designated as the home side.
    • Since this match is listed as "Spain v Netherlands", Spain receives first choice of which kit to wear.
    • Spain selects all-red.
    • Since Holland's Orange clashes with red, Holland must switch to blue.
    • But according to the regulations, we now have a case of dark colored kit v dark colored kit.
    • With Spain's alternate kit being all-black, FIFA inform Spain and their kit manufacturer (Adidas) that a light colored kit needs to be submitted to comply with FIFA regulations.
    All-white is chosen and will be worn against Holland.
    • This means Holland can switch to orange right? Wrong. Orange is deemed to be Holland's light colored kit, so white v orange would mean light kit v light kit.
    • For this match, Spain will wear white and Holland will dress in blue.
    Spanish http://www.marca.com/2014/05/26/futbol/seleccion/1401115116.html
    English http://www.marca.com/2014/05/26/en/football/national_teams/1401127807.html
     
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  4. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Speechless...
     
  5. damaaster

    damaaster Member

    May 26, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I'll still be in Oranje in the stands....
     
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  6. MrOranjeBal

    MrOranjeBal Member

    Apr 7, 2009
    Club:
    AZ
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    @unclesox: I'm (still) not convinced that the Dutch would not be allowed to switch to orange. But we will find out soon enough. :)
     
  7. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Seeing as how FIFA want each match to be a light colored kit v dark colored kit, if Holland are allowed to wear orange (v Spain's white = light v light) then Spain should have been allowed to wear red in the first place (v Holland's blue = dark v dark). Remember, Spain get first choice. ;)
     
  8. MrOranjeBal

    MrOranjeBal Member

    Apr 7, 2009
    Club:
    AZ
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Except that obviously FIFA look at the actual colours and not their 'denomination' , otherwise light (red) against dark (blue) would have done just fine.
    Also note how the rules do not mention 'home' or 'away' kit.
    Should Spain choose black, oranje would be fine. I reckon if Spain choose white, the same will hold. Orange contrasts nicely with white so that is acceptable.
     
  9. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Then this should be a non-issue. Instead, FIFA declares red to be a dark color and they are not allowing red (dark) v blue (dark).
    It's also why they are insisting that Spain submit a light colored kit.
    They don't mention 'home' and 'away', but 'official' and 'reserve'.
    Spain don't want to wear black or white. That's why they're appealing for red.
    If black or white v orange is fine, then why not red v blue? In 2010 Chile wore red to Spain's blue and FIFA had the same criteria worded exactly the same (article 32.2, page 35). Since Spain wore white shorts FIFA had no problem. So why not have Holland wear blue shirts/white shorts since Spain receives first choice kit just as Chile did v Spain four years ago?
    My main problem with this whole scenario is why have FIFA waited this long about a light-colored Spain kit when the kits were submitted in February. :confused:
     
  10. MrOranjeBal

    MrOranjeBal Member

    Apr 7, 2009
    Club:
    AZ
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Yes it is a non-issue.
     
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  11. Simmer

    Simmer Member

    Feyenoord
    Netherlands
    Oct 23, 2009
    Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    It's very stupid.

    Are they doing this because they think there are some people who still own a non-colour TV?
    Hello? It is 2014. Spain should be able to wear red and we blue without any problems. Who cares?
     
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  12. nick p

    nick p Member+

    Jul 11, 2009
    Baltimore Maryland
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thank goodness Spain had an emergency third white kit
     
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  13. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Exactly, otherwise this game would need to be declared a 0-0 draw even before kickoff.

    Looking forward, Brazil's opening game performance was underwhelming, good news for Holland if we can manage a second place finish in the Group of Death.
     
  14. Ed-D

    Ed-D Member

    Spurs
    United States
    Jun 13, 2005
    NY
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Can't holland just wear white?
     
  15. Antario2

    Antario2 Member

    Jan 29, 2012
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    I'm expecting a dull chess like match tonight. The Netherlands sitting deep waiting to break and Spain stringing passes together for 75% of the match. Hope I'm wrong.
     
  16. Tobias19

    Tobias19 Member+

    Feb 2, 2014
    Sweden
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    2-1 to Spain
     
  17. Froboy69

    Froboy69 Member+

    Inter Milan
    Colombia
    Mar 25, 2011
    San Diego
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    God this match has me getting excited!
     
  18. sXeWesley

    sXeWesley Member+

    Jun 18, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If either team scores early we will get an excellent games, otherwise you are correct.
     
  19. ShortyMac

    ShortyMac Member+

    Barcelona
    Apr 10, 2011
    Ohio, USA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My pick is 2-2.
     
  20. terps

    terps Member+

    Dec 27, 2009
    Overland Park
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is this the match thread?
     
  21. ShortyMac

    ShortyMac Member+

    Barcelona
    Apr 10, 2011
    Ohio, USA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would assume so.
     
  22. Tobias19

    Tobias19 Member+

    Feb 2, 2014
    Sweden
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    Come on Spain!
     
  23. ShortyMac

    ShortyMac Member+

    Barcelona
    Apr 10, 2011
    Ohio, USA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As a Barca and Bayern fan, I want to see the Barca players and Robben do well.
     
  24. Froboy69

    Froboy69 Member+

    Inter Milan
    Colombia
    Mar 25, 2011
    San Diego
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Poor Costa, every neutral Brazilian is looking for a reason to boo him.
     
  25. sXeWesley

    sXeWesley Member+

    Jun 18, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I love the Johan Cruyff Cup.
     

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