Spain or Brazil? Who will bounce back quicker?

Discussion in 'BigSoccer Polls' started by Guigs, Jul 8, 2014.

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Who will bounce back quicker?

  1. Spain

    62.9%
  2. Brazil

    37.1%
  1. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Country:
    Germany
    You said "just like Gündoğan was bossing the CL, Koke was bossing multiple competitions". I, apparently incorrectly, interpreted that as meaning you thought Gündoğan was bossing only the CL, while Koke was superior because he bossed all the competitions.
     
  2. Waliatiger

    Waliatiger Member+

    Jul 1, 2013
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Brazil will bounce back first, the mere talent pool they have to pull from, the redemption factor and the young prospects they have will make them bounce back faster. Brazil was going through a transition process at this past WC and still finished top 4. For those spitting on Brazil grave you are kicking them while they are down but they will rise up always have.

    Spain is intriguing they'd have talented youth who have been able to see the filed because of VDB and haven't produced for the u21 and other junior international tournaments. I think Spain will revert to their past form of being really talented and exciting to watch but perhaps not getting the results that the golden generation achieved. I am interested and wonder if Spain will stick to their style of play? Or will they revert back to La Fura Roja.
     
  3. TKORL

    TKORL Member

    Dec 30, 2006
    Club:
    Valencia CF
    Fair enough.
     
  4. F.L.I.P.

    F.L.I.P. Member

    Apr 26, 2005
    Spain, Brazil is in a funk right now...
     
  5. trance-x

    trance-x Member

    Jun 22, 2005
    Berlin
    #105 trance-x, Aug 25, 2014
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    Actually I do not agree. I think Spain lost their successful phase but I see a chance that they can keep up being among the successful teams. The defeat of Brazil and the loss of the title was from my point of view a bit more: a general caesura. It marks something which was already going on since some time: the end of the last century soccer world. Brazil stood for it like no other nation (their success, their style and so on). Now there a wind of change became aware. Nothing which was not already going on since some time. Maybe Spain marked the best the beginning of a new era - the 21. century soccer world. Soccer is getting more scientific and professional - for more nations. New nations will come up (maybe some African teams, very likely the USA (slower as some might wish, faster as one might think)). Old big heavyweights have to reestablish them self to the new era. Germany did that. I see no reason why Brazil should be not able to keep a successful nation. But I have certain doubts that they can do that like in the last century with the same style and way, just a bit upgraded. This time and era is over. More and more stronger teams, more and more changed the game, more and more scientific views on it. Details are getting more and more relevant, all kind of aspects of the game, organization, tactics and so on. Way more than in the old times. Brazil has to cope with that which means: the difference between their style and other ones styles cannot be that huge anymore.
     
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  6. trance-x

    trance-x Member

    Jun 22, 2005
    Berlin
    Just an add: Globalization is also going on - changes things, views, synchronization, speed ...
     
  7. MJ12

    MJ12 New Member

    Aug 23, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Spain, brazil will spend too much time crying about it. Spain has the talent and the drive to jump back to where they need to be.
     
  8. Jeremy8

    Jeremy8 New Member

    Sep 17, 2014
    Probably Spain
     
  9. jessepv

    jessepv Member

    Oct 19, 2014
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Brazil, they have better young talent and a new coach
     
  10. bestvaluestore

    Sep 21, 2014
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
  11. Chris7

    Chris7 New Member

    Nov 5, 2014
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Spain, they are loaded with young fantastic players.
     
  12. klipord

    klipord New Member

    Nov 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    spain should be back there sooner than later...
     
  13. Termin

    Termin New Member

    Nov 26, 2014
    Spain, their young so they have a better chance of bouncing back.
     
  14. Italy-Azzurri-Fan

    Nov 15, 2014
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Country:
    Italy
    Ugh, I hope none will bounce back, as I hate both teams, but I believe Brazil as it seems Brazil is doing better now. Brazil beat Argentina and Colombia in friendly matches, but Spain lost to Slovakia in a qualifying match, and Germany and France in a friendly.

    Brazil has a new coach, but Spain doesn't. The spain now, reminds me of the spain we had in the 2006 world cup. They smash smaller teams, but struggle when it comes to bigger teams and possibly high-average teams. So probably Spain will be like they were in 2006 for at least a while.
     
  15. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    Probably true, but is Brazil so much better than Spain'06 level? I don't think so nor do I see how they are going to improve in the next few years. Their team is still loaded with players you'd expect to see on Chile or Paraguay. Not the Brazil NT.
     
  16. Italy-Azzurri-Fan

    Nov 15, 2014
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Country:
    Italy
    No Brazil aren't better than 2006 Spain. But I do see Brazil coming back to be around the same as 2006 Spain level.
     
  17. SoccerMaestro523

    SoccerMaestro523 New Member

    Dec 5, 2014
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    I first doubted that Brazil would improve much in the months following the end of the World Cup, but now they are playing very well and they are showing better consistency than they were in the World Cup. I place my vote in Brazil, seeing that they seem to be in the right track.
     
  18. vasilios1991

    vasilios1991 New Member

    Dec 8, 2014
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Country:
    Greece
    Spain, no doubt!
     
  19. reallymadrid

    reallymadrid New Member

    Jan 3, 2015
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Being from both countries,much love for both but definitely. Spain,brazil needs new talent
     
  20. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    they were more consistent under Dunga yes but they still lacked of a good striker and wingers

    Agree, Spain NT still had more depth in quality than Brazil at this time
     
  21. Rana catesbeiana

    Mar 11, 2008
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    I'd also say that "bouncing back" is a tricky concept/term here.

    Spain's level from 2008 to 2012 is not their normal level, it's exceptionally high. One bad World Cup/Euro was bound to occur for many reasons, but they're back among the heavy favourites in 2016 for a good reason, although of course unlikelier to win it than not (as are every team).

    For Brazil, reaching the semifinal was an improvement from 2006. And I'd say that, re: Copa America 2011, anything can happen in one match. In the early 2000's, they were a very strong team, and currently, they're a very strong team as well (even if quite different). Sometimes it happens that teams lose with a gigantic score a la 7-1, but in those cases, the difference in the level, I think, is not actually THAT big. It has more to do with the match being decided already in, say, 3-0 (sometimes 2-0), which results in the other team getting chaotic/falling head, and the other just enjoyably steamrolls to goals after goals. This has been seen in the CL semifinals, as well (Barca's loss to Bayern, Bayern's loss to RM). Brazil is Brazil, and they're always very strong.

    Both teams lack something vital IMO, though. For Spain, they lack top level players who have not won everything yet, as it is tough to keep your hunger and level of play, when your stomach is full. This is, of course, a matter of the high success generation passing the torch to the next generation. For Brazil, I think they would benefit from relaxing a little bit: parading slogans about "6th title, here we come" and having the sense that it's "title or national catastrophe" creates an atmosphere, one would think, where pressures mount to such heights that it's also negative. I could be wrong, of course, and I don't mean to say that I understand Brazilian or Spanish football (or culture) better than I do, but it's just what it seems to me. Both teams have already bounced back, although they might still very well bum out in Copa and Euro, and even in WC 2018. In a league format of NTs right now, both would finish likely in top 4.
     
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  22. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Country:
    Argentina
    Why you always gotta be so politically correct? No way in this dimension does Brazil finish top four in a NT league competition, all of Germany, Argentina, Netherlands, France, Spain, Colombia, Chile, Mexico, Belgium, Nigeria and Uruguay (with Suarez) are better sides than them currently.

    As for Spain, they have a fantastic young generation of attacking players that are performing highly in top clubs: Isco, Koke, Costa, Callejon, Mata, etc. Add to that the relatively young Busquets and Fabregas, plus Martinez and Alcantara in the center mid positions, and they have a strong midfield and attack in their squad. The question is the defense, although Contreras, Manquillo, Bartra, Alba or Azpiculeta looks solid.
     
  23. Rana catesbeiana

    Mar 11, 2008
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    I agree, Spain looks good for the future. As for their defence, I think it's more or less on par with their midfield and attack.

    Brazil has depth, imo. And quality. Some of those NTs you mentioned I think are currently better or equal to Brazil (Ger, Arg), some are about equal (Net, Spa, maybe one or two others), but some are equal at best. Can't prove anything though, so agree to disagree.
     
  24. Italy-Azzurri-Fan

    Nov 15, 2014
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Country:
    Italy
    Italy and Croatia are also superior to Brazil now.
     
  25. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Country:
    Argentina
    Italy? I'll see it to believe it.
     

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