SF # 2 Colombia vs Chile June 22nd [R]

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  1. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Porter Ranch CA
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    CA Tigre
    Country:
    Argentina
    Tata came out recently and said he would've been ready to play V the Americans if he was needed. He trained yesterday and scored. Today, however, after training he felt discomfort. So, I am not sure if it is mind games or if he will be fit. I guess we won't know until kickoff.
     
  2. robnycus

    robnycus Member+

    Jun 28, 2010
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    New York Cosmos
    Any ideas why Tata did not call Dybala for this tournament given that Juve is not letting him play the Olympics?
     
  3. Zasal2000

    Zasal2000 Member

    Dec 16, 2014
    Chile is full of viudas de Bielsa and Sampaoli both.

    The truth is that there was a team with a few generational talents that were absolutely world class (Alexis, Vidal, Medel, Aranguiz, Bravo) that meshed well with other players that though not as great, are very solid (Vargas, Isla, Diaz, Jara, Valdivia, Matias etc...)

    AS much as all of these players and the team benefited from Bielsa and Sampoli (and Sulantuay prior...which i guess means we should include Borghi as well lol).................those coaches also benefited from having such a talented and strong team at their disposal.

    They got the results and built the foundation but the players were and are exceptional.

    The mentality change, the cultural change, that has allowed Chile to develop into a mentally strong team is the greatest change and attributable to the coaches that have touched the team.....but Alexis, Vidal, Medel, Jara, Bravo etc. are all driven to an extent that I think they're the ones who really influenced the mentality change more than any coach ever could.
     
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  4. robnycus

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    ^ Very well said.. could not agree more.
     
  5. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
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    I am a BIG Dybala fan. I've followed since his days in Argentina and followed him with a close eye in his last season with Palermo. I recall certain Juve fans crying about his price-tag but I said he was well worth the price, since he will end up being better than Kun and Tevez. I think he is a sensation.

    As for Tata not calling him up. Communication must've broken down somewhere. Dybala had notified Tata that Juve would not let him go, so he thought he'd be on this team. But Tata believes that Juve will let him go to the Olympics, so it might be a tug of war, just like it was with Messi and FCB in 2008. But Dybala has come out and said he has to respect the clubs decision, which kinda pisses me off, because he could force his way to the Olympics if he wants to. I'd love to see him at the Olympics.
     
  6. robnycus

    robnycus Member+

    Jun 28, 2010
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    He cannot burn bridges with Juve this early on his career. I can understand him not wanting to force the issue.
     
  7. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
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    CA Tigre
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    Argentina
    What are they going to do, not play him? At the end of the day, if you are the star player, you can force certain things. The Olympics are important to South Americans. Winning Olympic medals are not a dime a dozen. It is a once in a life time opportunity but I guess him traveling to Hong Kong to play a friendly is far more important for them. If I were Paulo, I would force the issue, which I am sure the AFA might ask him to do. If he doesn't go, Icardi might get the shot, if that happens, hide your wives Rio, Mauro is on the loose.:D
     
  8. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Country:
    Chile
    Sulantay, never played with those players the way Bielsa used them.
    And more so, he only used some of those players, as they aren't all from the same team, but from diferent generations as well.
     
  9. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Country:
    Chile
    The core he did, thats when we started with the winning mentality.
     
  10. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Country:
    Chile
    He didn't do nothing to those players when they were kids.
    They already were doing lots of things and also wining at their local clubs, even before he started coaching them as an under-20 NT.

    Prove to it, is that the guy in over 25 years of career being coach he hardly did anything of value, (specially with other kids), except what this kids achieved, when he was in charge of the team. To me he simply "piggy-backed himself" on the talent these players had, and almost any average coach in his position, would've done the same thing.
     
  11. Sandinista

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    Apr 11, 2010
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    He's dumb.
     
  12. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
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    Univ de Chile
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    Chile
    "Doing lots of things" is playing in the chilean first division, like hundreds have always done. Bielsa never did a thing extraordinary until he took over Chile (closes thing is the outstanding qualifier with Argentina), yet no one doubts his talent. Say what you say, Sulantay started the whole thing, Bielsa molded it into something world class and Sampaoli consolidated it.
     
  13. SiempreCrema

    SiempreCrema Member+

    Feb 4, 2015
    Club:
    Universitario de Deportes
    Country:
    Peru
    If you really want to go back, you could argue that the Chilean generation started in 2005. Marcelo Diaz, Gonzalo Jara and Fuenzalida all played there in the under 20 world cup.
     
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  14. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

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    Univ de Chile
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    Chile
    The generation started there, but they didn´t accomplish anything at the time. Marcelo Diaz became a national team player and european level player under the Sampaoli U de Chile side that won the Copa Sudamericana. Gonzalo Jara never stood out anywhere, not even in Chile (not even now). Fuenzalida is prob. the biggest surprise, he was very close to quitting football to study commercial engineering a while ago, this is prob. the best moment of his career.
     
  15. SiempreCrema

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    That was my exact point. The generation started there, but the big foreshadowing was the 2007 team that finished 3rd.

    I'm here realizing how important the under 20 World Cup is and while it isn't what determines if a team will be good or bad, it is a good way to know what teams will do well in the future (for the most part).
     
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  16. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
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    CD Colo Colo
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    Chile
    #341 Rickdog, Jun 24, 2016
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    Gonzalo Jara, was winning championships with Colo Colo (yeah, the team you hate the most), 3 1st divission championships that is, even before Bielsa put his eyes on him and it wasn't Bielsa whom first called him to the national team, but Nelson Acosta, whom was in charge of the team, before him with whom he even played at Copa America 2007.
    José P. Fuenzalida, has always shined with lights of his own, since 2004. Unfortunately for you, he has never played for your shitty team and instead always has for U. Catolica and Colo Colo, the 2 chilean teams you hate the most, where with both teams, he has won championships, reasons why you don't want to recognize none of his achievements there. He has been playing for the NT, since 2008, being the period under Bielsa where he has received the biggest amount of calls to play for the NT of his career (he has always been a bench player).
    Marcelo Díaz, always were a player of your team, the "uuups", and reasons he didn't win much till the arrival of Sampaoli to your crappy team is because, we (Colo Colo and also other teams, yeah Pizzi with U.Catolica as well, defeated your team for the title, before the bald midget's arrival), not because Díaz were a bad player or anything like it. But, to give you something, yes he only exploded as top player, with the corrupt midget as coach of the "your team" and not before.
     
  17. MetroChile

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    Jan 13, 2001
    NJ; Valpo.
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    Santiago Wanderers
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    #342 MetroChile, Jun 24, 2016
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    Matías Fernández was part of that squad, as well.
     
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  18. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Country:
    Chile

    Gonzalo Jara was nowhere near the star in those Colo Colo sides that won championship. Marcelo Díaz played bad because he played in a different position, not because of Colo Colo. Once he went on a loan to La Serena and got moved up to the midfield did he take off. Fuenzalida could have won championships, but never stood out. Any Catolica fan will tell you.
     
  19. Tio Nicci

    Tio Nicci Member

    Nov 13, 2008
    Houston, Texas
    Club:
    Deportivo Cali
    Country:
    Colombia
    Fuenzalida has been great. Great hustle and speed.
     
  20. posteador

    posteador Member+

    Dec 29, 2006
    Lincoln, UK
    I was one of the doubters... but Pizzi has shown to be a very flexible manager, willing to take risks and ******** up, but also one that learns from his mistakes. I'm impressed. I should have never doubted a manager who got Universidad Católica to win a league title. :p
     
  21. fafaco

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    Jun 16, 2015
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    Ecuador
    I'm happy for yall :thumbsup:
     
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  22. MetroChile

    MetroChile Member+

    Jan 13, 2001
    NJ; Valpo.
    Club:
    Santiago Wanderers
    Country:
    Chile
    The game vs. Bolivia was one of Chile's poorest performances since the Borghi administration. Once Chile qualified, I remember telling my brother that our chances vs. Mexico were "slim to none" and slim was out of town. Thankfully we were all proven wrong and JAP was able to get the team back on track.

    I have no issue with eating my hat like that.
     
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  23. posteador

    posteador Member+

    Dec 29, 2006
    Lincoln, UK
    He finally got rid of his obsession with playing a tall number 9 "reference" striker. It worked against Venezuela in that away match, but Chile played poorly and got away with it.
     

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