Serie A Guerin Sportivo 1980-1991 every game with player ratings

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Vegan10, Aug 2, 2018.

  1. PDG1978

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    Mar 8, 2009
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    I've got Maradona on about 11 pre-assists for 1986/87, using the same standards as previously, but in terms of direct narrow assists it's just these two I think:

    Torino (a) 1 (Giordano)
    Juventus (h) 1 (Renica)

    So for goals and widest possible assists he'd have a high tally relative to these 3 players over the 3 seasons, but for purely narrow assists plus non-penalty goals he's on 0.31 a game by my calculations. I did notice a penalty he scored was awarded for a foul on him (whether any source would give him 2 goal involvements for the same goal would be questionable though maybe - curiously the original Fantasy Football game used to award 2 points for a won penalty, except when the same player scored - he would get 3 points for the goal, like any other including penalties scored after other players were fouled, but not an extra 2 points).

    Anyway, seemingly he overtakes Platini for pre-assists over the 3 seasons, having been I think maybe 3rd before this season for that even. But for narrow assists over the 3 seasons it is this I think:
    Platini - 19 in 89 games (0.22 per game)
    Maradona - 16 in 88 games (0.18 per game)
    Rummenigge - 13 in 64 games (0.20 per game)

    They are not far apart for goals + narrow assists +pre-assists (but excluding penalties won/scored) over all 3 seasons I think, with roughly 2 such contributions in every 3 games each (Maradona less than that by the most, but with the most penalties; Rummenigge probably closest to exactly 2/3 but with the lowest overall total of course).
     
  2. Tropeiro

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  3. PDG1978

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    Mar 8, 2009
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    Nottingham Forest FC
    Even though you had second thoughts mate about your query (I can see it in my email inbox though haha!), I will add the link you had included for Maradona's Spanish Wiki page, which I didn't know about (although Estel had previously noticed some pages on French wiki with partial assist stats for mainly 90s players - sometimes under-stated it definitely seemed):
    https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Armando_Maradona#Estadísticas_como_jugador

    As you had said, for 1984/85 they have a tally of 5 which would match the narrowest definition, without own goal assists or the deflection off the cross-bar to 'assist' Penzo (despite Maradona's 'genius' reputation it wasn't intended as an assist that way of course lol I'm sure). That source has him at 29 in 46 Italian cup games over the whole 7 seasons he was there, and assist-wise of course he notched up more per game in Serie A seasons to come starting with 87/88 (being dealt with currently on this thread re: ratings) but 84/85 was his best regarded overall ratings/performance wise, and the 8 (narrow-ish) assists were a decent collection, and indicative of his play/influence in general for Napoli that year I suppose.

    Of course, the analysis I did was just to look at the 3 seasons those 3 played together, so Platini's 1983/84 (his best rated by some/most sources - certainly by GDS) is not included either. But for these 3 seasons they played together, the ratings put Maradona ahead of the other two, while end product is similar for all 3 basically (I am not saying that the ratings are 'wrong' or dubious by any means, or for that matter that Platini/Rummenigge didn't merit their end product stats, but I thought adding assists to the analysis was better than just seeing the goals tally anyway).
     
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  4. MJWizards

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    Aug 17, 2019
    Hi vegan, new membet here. I want to say thank you for all the amazing stats info etc about 80s football you posted on the board. I was wondering If you plan to finish this topic with the missing seasons...im very curious about 88-89-90-91 seasons! Thanks again
     
  5. Vegan10

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    Aug 4, 2011
    Yes, mate, once time permits I will continue.
     
  6. MJWizards

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    Aug 17, 2019
    Thats amazing, cant wait Vegan! Fantastic job!
     
  7. Vegan10

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    Aug 4, 2011
    Now to continue the 1987-88 season.

    Through 17 rounds Napoli lead and Maradona is the current top scorer.

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  8. Vegan10

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    GS round 18

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  9. Vegan10

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    GS top 10 best weekly performers and team of the week round 18

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  10. Vegan10

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    While Gullit still has the overall best rating and is tied with 7 top 10 best weekly performances with Maradona, it’s this man below that is catching up to the Dutchman for top player of the season.

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  11. MJWizards

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    Aug 17, 2019
    Yessss!!! So happy!!! Thanks vegan!!!
     
  12. Vegan10

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    Gazzetta round 18

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  13. Vegan10

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    Gazzetta team of the week and team averages through round 17

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  16. Vegan10

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    At this stage (February 1988) there’s no doubt the top 2 players fighting for the title is Maradona-Gullit.

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  17. Vegan10

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    GS round 19

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  18. Vegan10

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    GS top 10 best weekly performers and team of the week round 19

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  19. Vegan10

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    Gazzetta round 19

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  20. Vegan10

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    Gazzetta team of the week and team averages through round 19

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  21. Vegan10

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    Meanwhile, at this juncture (February 1988) Gazzetta dello Sport conducted a poll from managers and ex players about the top 10 best players in the world.

    The results as followed:

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    Top 10

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    The voters:
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  22. Vegan10

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    February 1988

    It’s this man that is heralded as the best player in the world, sustaining his world supremacy as the leading emperor in world football.

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  23. Vegan10

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    At this point Ian Rush has been struggling in Italian football and the goalscoring has dropped in comparison to his time in English football.

    Gazzetta dello Sport illustrates the contrast.

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  24. Vegan10

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    GS round 20

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  25. Vegan10

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    GS top 10 best weekly performers and team of the week round 20

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