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  1. lucio souza

    lucio souza Member

    Feb 17, 2014
    BRAZIL
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Good point, i guess bad coaching is a problem to us in all levels.
     
  2. lucio souza

    lucio souza Member

    Feb 17, 2014
    BRAZIL
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Radu, at this level i don'd believe in easy games. We played 2 hard games against: 1) our bitter rival in south america and 2) a very good Portugal side, and we survived in both. Yes, we have a chance but will be hard.
    I read today here in Brazil that Senegal players are confident: "this Brazil side has no Pelé, Ronaldo or Zico" and "we can beat them". I hope they play an open game like Nigeria did. If they do that, Brazil will be in the final game.
     
  3. Radu Razvan

    Radu Razvan Member+

    Mar 1, 2013
    Bucharest, Romania
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Romania
    With Portugal was the real final. Brazil was lucky, but somehow managed to win. Now, are easy opponents for Brazil.

    The same said the Nigerian players and what happend. You scored 4 goals, the same will happen now. I said to zahzah he is overconfident. Senegal it's also overconfident. Brazil it's Brazil.

    When I saw what zahzah told about Nigeria gold generation I gave credit to him, but after I saw the game against Brazil was pretty clearly.
     
  4. lucio souza

    lucio souza Member

    Feb 17, 2014
    BRAZIL
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    #954 lucio souza, Jun 16, 2015
    Last edited: Jun 16, 2015
    I guess it's because zahzah is a fan just like all of us. Fans tend to discredit teans they don't like and put a lot of credits on thouse ones they like. It's normal.
    By the way, Portugal and Uruguay managed to not let Gabriel Jesus play. We had the impression he was not playing well, but it was not that. When i said Senegal to play an open game i meant "let this kid Gabriel play". LOL!
     
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  5. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Fans are biased, but zahzah takes it to another level. There's a term called "blind homerism."
     
  6. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Even if Senegal is the worst of the four teams left (and I have no idea) they didn't come off of 2x OT games in a row with only 2 days rest.

    I hope Portugal was the toughest game, but I don't think that means it will be an easy road now. It won't be even if our opponents are poor. And chances are they're not.
     
  7. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I haven't decided yet if his blindness intentional or not. I remember debating with him not long ago some claims he was making of ref bias in some WC games involving Africa teams. He was really exaggerating some of the calls making them look worse than they were.

    I couldn't give him a harder time about the Nigeria debacle because it does look like there is some serious shady business in their player selection. I don't really know the players he mentions, but I do believe him that they could have played a better lineup.
     
  8. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Yet Brazil still played vs all of their main "stars" and bet them.

    He's trying to sell to me that the Belgian league is a top league in the u-20 thread on the FIFA and Competitions board.
     
  9. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Brazil got a lucky goal in the 5th minute - nice move to get to the endline, but the cross was deflected in before the keeper could block it. Started decently, had one free-kick earlier and Senegal had not done anything yet but will probably put on some pressure now.

    Senegal did move forward but Brazil just scored on a counter. 2x0 in the seventh minute.
     
  10. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Brazil finding tons of space on the right (Senegal's left) but no big chances since.

    Senegal gifted a free chance by one zagueiro doing a David Luiz impression. Senegal putting a little more pressure on in that last minute but Brazil still mostly in control.

    EDIT: Tabelinha on the right, Gabriel Jesus gets a good shot, off the post. 18 minutes in.
     
  11. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    3x0 20 minutes.

    Brazil scores on their first attack down the left. Tabelinha again, low cross, deflected by the keeper only a yard or two out and Boschila taps it in.
     
  12. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Jean just had to make a huge reaction save on a turnaround whipped shot. It still hit the crossbar.
     
  13. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Jorge scored number 4 but I missed it as I was in the kitchen... should have known better in a game like this.
     
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  14. Radu Razvan

    Radu Razvan Member+

    Mar 1, 2013
    Bucharest, Romania
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Romania
    As expected. Brazil is trashing Senegal.
     
  15. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Is it just me or does anyone else think the Senegal keeper looks like Fry? (Futurama)

    @Radu Razvan You certainly did predict this, gotta give you that.
     
  16. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Brazil up 4x0 and up one player going into halftime.

    Did not see the first yellow to the Senegal player but the second was fair.
     
  17. Radu Razvan

    Radu Razvan Member+

    Mar 1, 2013
    Bucharest, Romania
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Romania
    Also, the first I think was fair.
     
  18. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Very unselfish play makes it 5x0 at 77 minutes. Guilherme gets his second after another tabelinha gets Brazil in the box and Boschila squares it for a tap in.
     
  19. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Ended 5x0

    gol contra
    Guilherme
    Boschila
    Jorge
    Guilherme

    Defense not tested much, Senegal did get some chances though and should have had at least one. Second half was a training match. Serbia or Mali in the final.

    Micale? More like Milagre, amirite?
     
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  20. Emperor Adriano

    Emperor Adriano Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Utica NY (the refugee city)
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I saw serbia against Hungary and they were far from impressive. They needed a goal off a corner in the 90th minute to take it to extra time/penalties.
     
  21. Bakaman

    Bakaman Member

    May 8, 2008
    São Paulo, Brazil
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    #971 Bakaman, Jun 17, 2015
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2015
    Perfect. Above all, this U20WC was VERY positive for us because we discovered a great youth coach. Dunga should really consider using him as an assistant during the Olympics... And if we play our cards right, Micale could keep evolving and eventually become our main team coach. I wonder what would he do with no age limitations.

    Our final match will be versus Serbia. I didn't see enough of them to make a fair judgement of their 'threat level', but for me at least the result don't matter, I'm already satisfied because we found Micale and some other good players. That's the main point of all youth competitions IMO. Overall I'm very impressed, though we had quite a bit of luck to survive versus Portugal ( but then again, those who can't finish their chances don't deserve to win either).

    Players that caught my attention:

    Marlon and Lucão (The CBs): They are pretty solid for their age. They commit some mistakes but that's normal for their age.

    João Pedro (RB): Great pace, stamina, great at supporting the attack.

    Danilo (DMF, captain): Seems to be Luiz Gustavo's heir. Good tackling and marking, not too many fouls or cards, his passing isn't creative but it's simple and accurate. Not clueless with the ball at his feet.... Promising. Also has good physique.

    Boschilia (AMF?): I see him having a great future as a CMF, not AMF. He is quite well rounded as a player: good work rate, decent passing, great shooting, good movement, intelligence. I like him.

    Gabriel Jesus: excellent dribbler, creative player. He is only 18 IIRC, should he keep evolving his end product/decision making and cut out some of his diving we will have a great player in our hands. He played much better with the NT than he usually does with Palmeiras, as far as I've seem him with the green shirt at least. He doesn't feel the pressure and that's invaluable.

    Judivan: He is a good striker. Nice finishing, positioning, strength, dribbling. He could be very important for us in the future. Gutted about his injury, I hope it doesn't leave any lasting effects.


    Add Marquinhos, Neymar (over 23 spot, it will be hard to convince Barcelona to let him play but I have no doubts that he wishes greatly to try to win the gold medal again), Kenedy, Gerson, Gabigol, Talisca to this list and we can see a good team for the Olympics being formed. It was a shame we didn't get to see more of Caju, he has been great for us at Santos, I think he will be our olympic LB...Though Jorge was pretty good as well. I'm not sure if Danilo Luis (the RB) would count as an over-23 spot, he will be 24 at July 15th 2016.

    Something like this:

    ------------------------------Diego Alves------------------
    ---Danilo L.-------Marquinhos-----Marlon/Lucão-----Caju
    ---------------------------------Danilo-------------------------------
    ----------------------Talisca-------------Gerson
    -----------Kenedy----------------------------------Neymar
    ---------------------------------Gabigol
     
  22. NotreDameFlamengo

    Jul 25, 2011
    Raleigh, NC
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Fabinho, Lucas Silva, Coutinho, and Fred all qualify for U-23. This will be a tough lineup to construct.
     
  23. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    On average, it seems like 3-4 guys on a U-20 team actually make it to senior level. A few might get a call up at best.
     
  24. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    Rafinha and Felipe Anderson as well. If I was Dunga I take Luis Gustavo and Thiago Silva along with Neymar as the 3 overage players.
     
  25. omajac

    omajac Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    East Orange, New Jersey, USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    1st of all I was shocked by the score!! African teams on the Under anything level and Olympic level have always been a thorn in our side!! To Kaka's quote, I agree, but I have the feeling that Dunga is gonna bring Sideshow Bob instead of T. Silva!!
     

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